Posted on 02/02/2018 8:31:01 AM PST by Salvation
Monsignor Pope Ping!
Notice it was for “a sin offering”, this verse proves Mary was not sinless as the catholics claim.
Concur....Joseph and Mary knew they were sinners. No where in Scripture is an exception carved out for Mary. No where.
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By the same logic, it’s a good thing Jesus was baptized for the forgiveness of his sins.
They were Jewish, they followed Jewish law.
I often wonder, when I read this, if they passed a contingent of soldiers heading for Bethlehem to slaughter the innocents.
What "sin" did Mary commit in bringing Jesus into the world? Be specific. Do you think that mothers sin by giving birth? Which of the commandments do they break?
The term "sin offering" refers to a ritual purification, not a reparation for a moral fault.
The time of purification was a blessed time which allowed the mother and child to bond. It allowed the mother to heal from what was then a very risky event. It was her time off from what was a life of hard labor. I picture the other women bringing her food and fussing over her. The time with the baby girl was longer because the girl would grow up with her mother and learn that roll while the boy needed more to bond with his father.
Aren’t we talking about the purification of the woman (40 days) required by Jewish law?
Does Jesus’ baptism in the Jordan “prove” that He was a sinner?
Just askin’
To worship Mary is to worship Semiramis, the bride of Nimrod of Babylon. The Madonna and child is much older than Mary and Jesus. Semiramis had a child after Nimrod died and she said this child was the reincarnation of Nimrod. She is known as the mother of god. This newborn son was named Tammuz and we celebrate his birth on Dec 25, the winter solstice. This is why The RCC changed the birth of Christ to Dec 25th and not Tabernacles as the Jews teach God came to live with His people in the Wilderness. In about the 4th century AD Changes came to Rome for the Christian religion should be observed by everyone. There was no Repentence, no observation of Jewish faith, and the calendars were changed as prophesied in the Bible.
All of this and more point to the Babylonian pagan religion being worshiped today as spoken of in Revelation.
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For true Christian worship, the church should resemble more of a Messianic Jewish church. The Romans wanted to mix Pagan rites with Christians at the time. Jesus came as a Jew, lived as a Jew under Jewish culture and religion, Died as a Jew, and is on the Throne in Heaven as a Jew. Jews were given the oracles of God. To mimic pagan Babylon is dangerous and spoken of in Revelation. Another aspect can be found in the letter to the church at Thyatira. Thyatira was the daughter of Semiramis. Churches in Scripture are described as women or female, and a daughter is just a branch of the same mother church. Just as the Lutheran church is a daughter of the mother church in Rome, the RCC is a branch of the mother church in Babylon. Babylon was founded by the descendants of Ham. The Jews come from Shem, and Noah blessed Shem and cursed Ham. The keys for proper worship of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, is found in the Messianic Jewish worship. All of the first of the Apostles were Jewish. Jesus didn't come to start a new religion but to fulfill the Scriptures given to the Jews.
Romam Catholic eisegesis.
And as explained numerous times before it does not mean what Romam Catholics want it to mean. For you to continue to post this is disengenuos.
NO. Jesus said to permit it to be so to fulfill all righteousness. He was submitting to show what His followers should do.
Mat 3:14-15.
If someone says to follow Jesus or be like Jesus, He provided us His example. Had He not done this, you might think you don't have to. If you have confessed Jesus as Lord and have faith in Him, then unless you are on your death bed, you should attempt to get Baptized as your first act of obedience to God. Your faith is what saves you however, and not baptism. People that come to Jesus on their deathbed and other situations are still saved if they cry out to Him. If you've been saved for months, however and never get baptized, I have to wonder about your commitment to Him. We are commanded to be saved and then baptized.
Mat 28:19-20
Nope. Because we have the texts, and knowledge, that He did not sin. He is the only person documented beyond doubt to have not sinned.
If you go to Luke 1:28 and look up the Strong's Greek for G5487 or Favored, it in no way means she is without sin. Noah found favor with God because he believed God, not because he was without sin. It says Noah found grace with God which means he needed it. The other sentence there saying his generations were perfect, just means his flesh had not been corrupted by the Fallen angels of Gen 6:1. The whole Bible is founded on the seed of the woman killing the seed of Satan. Abraham was a pagan, but he believed God and righteousness was imputed to him. Mary received the seed of God, but she was not without sin. Jesus is the seed of the woman. Jesus is the seed that kills Satan's seed, the Antichrist. It won't be Mary coming back in Revelation to kill the Antichrist and his followers. If Mary was sinless, we wouldn't need to sacrifice Jesus. God used many faulty people to accomplish His purposes. Jonah messed up 9 ways to Sunday, yet God used him for His glory. Mary was blessed beyond measure to be God's chosen vessel, but can we say John was blessed? John was the one Jesus loved. Peter? Was Peter without sin?
Mary had the unique position of needing her son to die for her sins in her place. Can you be joyous that your son is going to die to set you free? Peter said it would not be so when Jesus spoke of dying on the cross and Jesus told Peter to get thee behind me Satan. If The whole world stood up to protect Jesus from death, then God's plan for the world would have been thwarted and we wouldn't have a blood sacrifice today. Satan, being Satan, killed all the children in Moses' time and killed all the babies in Herod's day trying to kill God's seed. Why not kill all the child bearing aged women if Mary was the only woman God could use? Mary was just a girl chosen by God to fulfill His plan just as Noah, Abraham, and Moses, was used to fulfil the same plan.
The keys for proper worship of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, is found in the Messianic Jewish worship. All of the first of the Apostles were Jewish. Jesus didn’t come to start a new religion but to fulfill the Scriptures given to the Jews.
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While I can’t say that I agree with all you say in your response to the post, it is indeed full of insight.
While I do not agree with everything in the post it too is full of insight, I especially like to think of The Lord suddenly coming to His Temple.
I don’t have to agree with everything in a post or all the answers to find them very intelligent and great food for thought and inspiring.
Thanks
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