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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don't think you quite grasped Fr. Pope's point.

I'm not sure the Msgr has grasped the Gospel's point.

Of course we believe He is already with us.

It doesn't sound like it!

When the Scriptures tell us He's dwelling in us....not sure how much more present or intense you can get than that.

By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. 1 John 4:13 NASB

9However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8:9-11 NASB

14 posted on 02/20/2018 11:29:38 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
(me)"Of course we believe He is already with us."

(you)"It doesn't sound like it!"

Again...

The Claude Paradigm

“You Catholics are wrong because you believe X.”
“We don’t believe X.”
“Wrong again. Yes you do.”

Trait Analysis

* Aggressiveness: 100%
* Rigidity: 100%
* Openness: 0%
* Empathy: 0%

15 posted on 02/20/2018 12:20:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("All the way to Heaven is Heaven, becase Christ said, 'I am the Way.'" - St. Catherine of Siena)
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To: ealgeone
The POINT is, that these things are all true:

This is how God can be seen as being "especially" present in the heart of a believer, or "where two or three are gathered," or on Sinai's height, or on Mt. Tabor, or in the gathered congregation, or in the womb of His Blessed Mother, or in the Holy Eucharist, or in Heaven with His Saints.

See? God is present in those places (as in all places), but not in exactly the same way.

It is not He who varies. It is we who vary.

We are not equally present to HIM,for instance, if we are drunk or crazy or unconscious or resistant to Him. But HE is present always.

It's like Augustine said (and I really love this),

Late have I loved you, Beauty so ancient and so new,
late have I loved you!

Lo, you were within,
but I outside,
seeking there for you,
and upon the lovely things you have made
I rushed headlong – I, unlovely.

You were with me, but I was not with you.
They held me back far from you,
those things which would have no being,
were they not in you.

You called, shouted, broke through my deafness;
you flared, blazed, banished my blindness;
you lavished your fragrance, I gasped;
and now I pant for you;
I tasted you, and now I hunger and thirst;
you touched me, and I burned for your peace.

To me, that's a WOW.

16 posted on 02/20/2018 12:41:58 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (O Mary, He whom the whole Universe cannot contain, enclosed Himself in your womb and was made man.)
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