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SHAME IN LIVERPOOL: The bishop denies spiritual assistance to Alfie
The New Daily Compass (trans) La Nuova ^ | 4/26/2018 | img Riccardo Cascioli

Posted on 04/30/2018 6:37:57 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Catholic Church is at its finest when it is counter cultural. When it seeks accommodation with a culture that embraces hedonistic debauchery, abortion and atheism, it loses its credibility and fails in its spiritual mission to the people.


21 posted on 04/30/2018 8:54:09 PM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: allendale

Liverpool is one of the few cities with two cathedrals and two Archbishops.

If the Church of England Archbishop had more (any?) support for Alfie they might have even got a few converts to make up for their declining flock.


22 posted on 04/30/2018 10:29:47 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I fully agree. Here is a reading from the OT concerning ministers who are derelict. Perfect for what we have just observed.

Malachi 2:1-9

And now, O priests, this command is for you. 2If you will not listen, if you will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, says the LORD of hosts, then I will send the curse on you and I will curse your blessings; indeed I have already cursed them,* because you do not lay it to heart. 3I will rebuke your offspring, and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and I will put you out of my presence.*

4 Know, then, that I have sent this command to you, so that my covenant with Levi may hold, says the LORD of hosts. 5My covenant with him was a covenant of life and well-being, which I gave him; this called for reverence, and he revered me and stood in awe of my name. 6True instruction was in his mouth, and no wrong was found on his lips. He walked with me in integrity and uprightness, and he turned many from iniquity. 7For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8But you have turned aside from the way; you have caused many to stumble by your instruction; you have corrupted the covenant of Levi, says the LORD of hosts, 9and so I make you despised and abased before all the people, inasmuch as you have not kept my ways but have shown partiality in your instruction.


23 posted on 04/30/2018 11:46:30 PM PDT by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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To: Pajamajan

This is what the wicked are like—
always free of care, they go on amassing wealth.


24 posted on 05/01/2018 12:35:03 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Trumpnado2016; txrefugee; thinden; MarvinStinson; ebb tide; Marchmain; Bulwyf; slapshot; ...
You ask: "Do you need any more proof that the Catholic Church serves the beast?"

Then do the British Christians all serve the Beast? Because the other churches in Britain (Anglican, which is still the majority; plus Presbyterian/Church of Scotland; the Methodist chapels; the Baptists, the various flavors of immigrant Orthodox--- all the other churches in Britain --- said not a mumblin' word for Alfie, and were not expected to.

You only hear about the shameful moral dereliction of the Catholic hierarchy, precisely because people expected them to do something for this doomed boy and his suffering parents.

Politically, neither the Conservatives nor Labor nor any other party with current representation in Parliament, did one single thing for them.

Who DID support Alfie? As far as I know, IN BRITAIN --- and somebody else fill in here --- the thousands of supporters came from SPUC (Society for the Protection of the Unborn Child, a pro-life group), predominantly Catholics; and the Christian Legal Society (organized to advance Christian religious liberty) which is predominantly Protestant.

And one member of the clergy ministered to Tom and Kate: Fr. Gabriele Brusco, an Italian Catholic priest, who was yanked off the scene by the British Bishops.

The whole scene is shameful for all.

And there was one stand-out exception: the magnificent efforts of Pope Francis (Stunning! Of all people, The deeply compromised Francisoid!!) who brushed past his own pro-Death appointee, Paglia, and made the arrangements for the Italian govt. to offer Alfie Italian citizenship and military Medevac air transport, and for the Vatican Bambino Gesu hospital to offer him pr-admission and care/treatment, all at no expense to the Evans family.

But in general: only place you'll find backbone in any Faith group in Britain (or, I daresay, anywhere) are the valiant pro-life laity.

25 posted on 05/01/2018 4:45:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Jesus' tenderness toward children caused him to say: 'Let the children come to me.")
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To: neverevergiveup
Speaking as a Catholic, our consciences were formed by Christ in the Church. Despite the dereliction of so much of our clergy, it's the faithful all-out Catholics (with our faithful Protestant "churched" allies and brethren) who stand up even when our clergy fail us.

And for ONCE in Pope Francis' career I can say: viva il Papa.

26 posted on 05/01/2018 4:48:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Jesus' tenderness toward children caused him to say: 'Let the children come to me.")
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To: slapshot
The Pope not only found his papal"voice" but also sent air medical transport so Alfie could be admitted and treated at Bambino Gesu Hospital in Rome.

That ain't shabby.

27 posted on 05/01/2018 4:50:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Jesus' tenderness toward children caused him to say: 'Let the children come to me.")
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To: Bulwyf
You are poorly informed. Catholics form the backbone of the pro-life movement everywhere in the world.

Tell us, what did your denomination or non-denomination do?

28 posted on 05/01/2018 4:52:21 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Jesus' tenderness toward children caused him to say: 'Let the children come to me.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Really excellent post, Mrs. Good for you.

One gets very tired of the trite and generally inaccurate portrayal of Catholicism on FR.


29 posted on 05/01/2018 4:52:40 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My denomination?

My God sent his only Son to die for the sins of rbe world that we may believe in him and have everlasting life.

The Roman Catholic Church is a false doctrine, and in a way more dangerous than Islam because it flirts with the truth here and there and deceives many, just like revelations said it would.

I know no one is going to go and say I’m right, but I will say the Bible is right, and those who ignore it to follow man man stuff is done at their own peril.

No, I’m not poorly informed either, the evidence is clear. A lot of people just don’t want to o accept it, just like a lot of people won’t accept there’s a globalist movement trying to impose a one world order. Nobody wants to believe it.


30 posted on 05/01/2018 5:14:56 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You’re right. No backbone.

Brits seem very weak.

Scared Big Sister may have retribution against critics of their health care system?

noticed no mention in your post of support or opposition from “the religion of peace”. How does this fit under sharia law?


31 posted on 05/01/2018 5:52:10 AM PDT by thinden
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To: Bulwyf
We presently have a rather rogue pope (although he stands almost alone in doing the right thing to protect the life of Alfie Evans) but the Church as Body of Christ is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

You show deficits in your knowledge of Catholicism. As a lifelong student and now a teacher of the Catholic Faith, I welcome you to private message me if you want to carry this discussion further.

I think you are interested in the truth; and as fellow disciples, let us approach the Truth who is Jesus Christ Our Lord.

32 posted on 05/01/2018 6:44:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Great article you posted yesterday, Mrs. Don-o. It was so shameful what happened to Alfie; wonderful (and amazing and beyond understanding) that the Pope took a stand and took action. If I were those young parents, I would emigrate immediately to Italy, which seems to be the only country in the world that really gets it. I thought I had read that the Italian parliament voted to give Alfie citizenship? The Catholic lens is a bit clearer there.


33 posted on 05/01/2018 8:51:58 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable.

“Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this MURDEROUS act, which must always be forbidden and excluded.

“Even if death is thought imminent, the ordinary care owed to a sick person (food, water) cannot be legitimately interrupted.”

I love the Catholic Catechism (2277).


34 posted on 05/01/2018 8:58:33 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: bboop
Yes, the Italian government gave Alfie citizenship, AND sent a military medical air transport to pick him up and take him and his mother and father to Rome. This the NHS obviously could not permit because it would make them look bad. The NHS is practically the British State Religion (and I am not exaggerating by one iota).

Yeah, if I were in Tom & Kate's position, I'd emigrate to Italy. If and when God grants them another pregnancy, they need to get out to escape the tender kindness of Holy Mother the State.

35 posted on 05/01/2018 9:08:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When tenderness is detached from the Source of tenderness, its logical outcome is terror. F. Oconnor)
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To: bboop

I agree about the Catechism. I love it. Clearly and beautifully written. A great guide for any Christian.


36 posted on 05/01/2018 9:09:34 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When tenderness is detached from the Source of tenderness, its logical outcome is terror. F. Oconnor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Heartbreaking, start to finish. I cannot imagine the depraved hearts of these bureaucrats in the hospital nor the moral confusion, it would appear, in the top ranks of the diocese.


37 posted on 05/01/2018 11:24:24 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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