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To: RegulatorCountry

“His paternal and maternal lines were... what?”


Short answer: nothing that would prove him eligible to be the Jewish Messiah.

Longer answer: there are two genealogies in the New Testament for Jesus. In Matthew, it is claimed that Joseph was a descendent of King Jeconiah, who in the Hebrew Bible was cursed to never have a descendent “sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah” (Jeremiah 22:30). Plus, if Jesus is actually descended from the human being Joseph, he would be a descendant of someone whom God said would never have a descendant sitting on the throne of Israel. In Luke, there is a different genealogy, which many Christian Scholars claim is through Mary. Putting aside for the moment the fact that under Jewish law one can inherit no status other than that of being Jewish from one’s mother, Mary herself is descended from Nathan, the brother of King Solomon, and not King Solomon himself. This would also disqualify him, again assuming that he could inherit some kind of status as a king through his mother, which is utterly forbidden under Jewish law.

Of course, there is also the argument that has been made buy some Christians that the genealogy simply did not matter, since he was the “son of God.”. Well, if the genealogy wasn’t important, why are there two separate genealogies for Jesus in two separate books in the New Testament? What would be the point? That is in addition to the problem caused by having a non-human parent (which sounds an awful lot like pagan theology to me): Jewish laws very specific that the Messiah will be a human being, descended from other human beings. There is no provision whatsoever in Jewish law or theology for the physical mixing of the Divine and human beings. God is God, and human beings are human beings. There is no combination of the two.

So what was it that you wanted to discuss regarding his genealogy?


54 posted on 05/10/2018 9:47:28 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr
Please cite the Scripture that declares the ‘law’ that ‘one can inherit no status other than that of being Jewish from one’s mother’.

Mary came from the tribe of Judah and Levi...

55 posted on 05/10/2018 9:51:29 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Ancesthntr
There is no provision whatsoever in Jewish law or theology for the physical mixing of the Divine and human beings.

Genesis begs to differ.

56 posted on 05/10/2018 10:37:31 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Ancesthntr
there are two genealogies in the New Testament for Jesus. In Matthew, it is claimed that Joseph was a descendent of King Jeconiah, who in the Hebrew Bible was cursed to never have a descendent “sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah”

The Jeconiah argument carries no weight with a Christian who believes the New Testament. Matthew 28:19 states that Jesus now has all authority, is reigning now. Mark 16:19 states that the seat of this government is on the right hand of God, not in Judah.

58 posted on 05/11/2018 4:57:44 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Ancesthntr; All
Putting aside for the moment the fact that under Jewish law one can inherit no status other than that of being Jewish from one’s mother,...

Except under two condition clearly expressed in Scripture. One time is when a woman may marry a kinsman provider and raise up a child to inherit her dead husbands name and inheritance. Though her husband is dead, her first born inherits everything that is his, through his wife, even though the child isn't actually of his direct seed.

Another way is expressed no less than three times in Holy Scripture, coming straight from God through Moses. This seemingly obscure concept and God given rule was so important as to be expressed three different times in Scripture! Why?

If a man hasn't any sons his daughter may inherit his name and his inheritance, with only one caveat. She must marry someone within her father's tribe. When she does this her father's name and inheritance then will bypass her and be passed down to her son. It is recorded that Mary had a sister, but there isn't any mention of a brother. She likely inherited her father's name and inheritance which would pass to her first born. Jesus may of received His Kingship through both Joseph and through Mary. A double blessing. Double blessings are a hallmark of God favor.

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Numbers 26:33 - And Zelophehad the son of Hepher had no sons, but daughters: and the names of the daughters of Zelophehad were Mahlah, and Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah.

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Numbers 27:1 - Then came the daughters of Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of Manasseh the son of Joseph: and these are the names of his daughters; Mahlah, Noah, and Hoglah, and Milcah, and Tirzah. 2 - And they stood before Moses, and before Eleazar the priest, and before the princes and all the congregation, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying, 3 - Our father died in the wilderness, and he was not in the company of them that gathered themselves together against the LORD in the company of Korah; but died in his own sin, and had no sons. 4 - Why should the name of our father be done away from among his family, because he hath no son? Give unto us therefore a possession among the brethren of our father. 5 - And Moses brought their cause before the LORD. 6 - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 7 - The daughters of Zelophehad speak right: thou shalt surely give them a possession of an inheritance among their father's brethren; and thou shalt cause the inheritance of their father to pass unto them. 8 - And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a man die, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter.

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Numbers 36:1 - And the chief fathers of the families of the children of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of the sons of Joseph, came near, and spake before Moses, and before the princes, the chief fathers of the children of Israel: 2 - And they said, The LORD commanded my lord to give the land for an inheritance by lot to the children of Israel: and my lord was commanded by the LORD to give the inheritance of Zelophehad our brother unto his daughters. 3 - And if they be married to any of the sons of the other tribes of the children of Israel, then shall their inheritance be taken from the inheritance of our fathers, and shall be put to the inheritance of the tribe whereunto they are received: so shall it be taken from the lot of our inheritance. 4 - And when the jubile of the children of Israel shall be, then shall their inheritance be put unto the inheritance of the tribe whereunto they are received: so shall their inheritance be taken away from the inheritance of the tribe of our fathers. 5 - And Moses commanded the children of Israel according to the word of the LORD, saying, The tribe of the sons of Joseph hath said well. 6 - This is the thing which the LORD doth command concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry. 7 - So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers. 8 - And every daughter, that possesseth an inheritance in any tribe of the children of Israel, shall be wife unto one of the family of the tribe of her father, that the children of Israel may enjoy every man the inheritance of his fathers. 9 - Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe; but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance. 10 - Even as the LORD commanded Moses, so did the daughters of Zelophehad: 11 - For Mahlah, Tirzah, and Hoglah, and Milcah, and Noah, the daughters of Zelophehad, were married unto their father's brothers' sons: 12 -And they were married into the families of the sons of Manasseh the son of Joseph, and their inheritance remained in the tribe of the family of their father. 13 - These are the commandments and the judgments, which the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses unto the children of Israel in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho.

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Joshua 17:3 - But Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, had no sons, but daughters: and these are the names of his daughters, Mahlah, and Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah. 4 - And they came near before Eleazar the priest, and before Joshua the son of Nun, and before the princes, saying, The LORD commanded Moses to give us an inheritance among our brethren. Therefore according to the commandment of the LORD he gave them an inheritance among the brethren of their father.

61 posted on 05/13/2018 8:12:56 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus. He says absolutely amazing things, which few dare consider.)
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