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To: Ezekiel

My understanding of Jesus - and it is a very under-informed opinion (I’m Jewish, and thus don’t believe that he is the promised Moschiach, so why bother studying about him that much?) that he essentially was very upset about the corruption in the Temple hierarchy, and very upset about people not abiding by the principles in the Torah. IOW, he was an idealist. So (again, in my understanding) he went around doing things to get people to pay attention to him, so that he could then get them focused on what was important in the Torah (to be kind and forgiving to others, and to obey and honor God, among others). In the process, he really ticked off the Temple hierarchy and, thus, the Romans (who had hand-picked the High Priest for his fealty to them). He was a revolutionary in the (supposedly, because it is not entirely clear that he said this) Orwellian sense of the word - “In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” But, in reality, he just wanted to return to the times when the Jewish People abided by The Law. Just my $0.02.


28 posted on 05/17/2018 1:37:29 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

Your understanding is pretty informed. Way too much baggage has been attached over a couple thousand years. Who would even recognize Jesus after all the doctrinal weirdness that has been piled on.

It was Herod’s ‘rebuilt’ temple (and the religious Establishment that went with it) that was destroyed.

The Christian religious establishment doesn’t see itself in the mirror. The NT is the book Christians read, not Jews.

It’s all one big flipped over story, like what was said right after Jesus ‘made a scene’:

John 2

16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was *this temple* in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

This temple, i.e. the house of merchandise. Body of Christ. And this took place at the first Passover of his teaching, so in three days is also three years in the plain meaning (historical events of the day). The Herod’s Temple swamp took 46 years to become as mired as it was.

The church went on to create Herod’s Roman/Edomite glitz and glamour temples run by important people.

President Trump is a Messianic figure on a number of levels.

People see the political, scientific, and education establishments for what they are, but human religious establishments are not to be criticized. They’re on a mission for God, or some such.

Jesus was definitely the anti-establishment type in a line of anti-establishment types.

The religious world on either side is expecting what its established wisdom says to expect. Recipe for being caught completely off-guard.


29 posted on 05/17/2018 2:53:08 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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