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[Catholic Caucus] IRELAND: a post-mortem examination - by Roberto de Mattei (Revisited)
Rorate Caeli / Roberto de Mattei ^ | May 26, 2018 | New Catholic /

Posted on 05/26/2018 10:09:52 AM PDT by ebb tide

IRELAND: a post-mortem examination - by Roberto de Mattei (Revisited)

Almost exactly three years ago, in May 2015, following the "same-sex marriage" referendum in Ireland, Roberto de Mattei made his "post-mortem examination" of the formerly Catholic powerhouse.

On this sad Saturday, as vote tallies confirm that an overwhelming majority of Irish voters chose to remove the 8th amendment of the Irish Constitution, we take a moment to revisit his piece.

What did the 8th amendment say exactly? These words:

The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.

Beautiful, noble, sound, correct, Catholic: all that Ireland has ceased to be.

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IRELAND: a post-mortem examination

Roberto de Mattei
Corrispondeza Romana
May 27, 2015


In his masterpiece “The Soul of the Apostolate”, Dom Jean-Baptiste Chautard (1858-1935), Trappist Abbot of Sept-Fons, expressed this maxim: “A holy priest coincides with a fervent populace; a fervent priest - a pious populace; a pius priest - an honest populace; an honest priest - an impious populace” (Italian version, Rome 1967, p. 64). If it is true that there is always a degree less in the spiritual life between the clergy and the Catholic people, after the vote in Dublin on May 22, we should add: “An impious priest coincides with an apostate populace.”


Ireland in fact, is the first country where the legal recognition of homosexual unions has been introduced not from the top but from the bottom, through a popular referendum; yet Ireland is also one of the oldest Countries with a deep-rooted Catholic Tradition, where the influence of the clergy is still relatively strong in part of the population.


It is no novelty that the “yes” to “homosexual marriage” was supported by all the parties, the right, the left and the center; it is not surprising that all of the media sustained the LGTB campaign, nor that there has been massive financing from abroad on behalf of this campaign; the facts foreseen, were, that, of 60% of the population who voted, only 37% of the citizens expressed their “yes” and that the government had skillfully shuffled their cards introducing a law in January 2015, permitting adoption by homosexual couples, prior to the recognition of pseudo-homosexual-marriage. What provokes the greatest scandal are the silences, the omissions and the complicities by the Irish priests and bishops throughout the electoral campaign.

One example is enough for all the rest. Before the elections, the Archbishop of Dublin, Diamund Martin, declared that he would have voted against homosexual marriage but wouldn’t have told Catholics how to vote (LifeSiteNews.com, May 21). After the vote, he declared on Irish National Television that: “the evidence cannot be denied” and that the Church in Ireland “needs a reality-check” In merit of what happened Monsignor Martin added: “it isn’t only the outcome of a campaign for a “yes” and a “no” but it attests to a much deeper phenomenon” therefore “ we need to review the pastoral care of youth: the referendum was won with the votes of the young and 90% of the young who voted attended Catholic Schools.” (www.corriere.it/esteri/ May 24,2015)

This position reflects, in general (apart from a few exceptions) the Irish clergy who have adopted the line that Monsignor Nunzio Galantino, the Secretary General of the Episcopal Conference in Italy, had hoped for: to avoid polemics and clashes at all costs: “it is not about who makes the loudest outcries, the pasdaran [*Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards] of the two sides exclude themselves” (“Corriere della Sera”, May 24).

Which means, let’s set aside the preaching of the Gospel and the values of the Faith and Catholic Tradition, in order to look for a point of encounter and compromise with the adversaries. And yet on March 18th 2010, Benedict XVI in his “Letter to the Catholics of Ireland” had invited the Irish clergy and people to return “to the ideals of holiness, charity and transcendent wisdom”, “which in the past made Europe great and can still refound her” (no.3) and to “draw inspiration from the riches of a great religious and cultural tradition” (no.12), which has not faded, even if “fast-paced social change has occurred, often adversely affecting people’s traditional adherence to Catholic teaching and values” (no. 4) is opposed to it. In his “Letter to the Catholics of Ireland”, Benedict XVI states that in the 70s, it was “significant” , “the tendency on the part of priests and religious, to adopt ways of thinking and assessing secular realities without sufficient reference to the Gospel.” This tendency is the same one we find today.

It has been the cause of a process of degradation, which, since the years of the Second Vatican Council, like an avalanche, has swept away Catholic customs and institutions. If the Irish today, even by staying Catholic for the most part, abandon the faith, the cause is not only the loss of prestige and consensus of the Church following the scandals of sexual abuse. The true cause is the moral and cultural surrender to the world on the part of their pastors, who accept this degradation as sociological evidence, without posing the problem of their own responsibilities. In this sense their behavior has been impious, lacking in mercy and offensive with regard to religion, even if not formally heretical. Yet every Catholic who voted “yes”, and thus, the majority of Irish Catholics who went to the ballot boxes, have stained themselves with apostasy. The apostasy of a people whose constitution still opens with an invocation to the Most Holy Trinity.

Apostasy is a much graver sin than impiety, as it involves an explicit repudiation of Catholic faith and morals. However, the heaviest responsibility for this public sin lies with the pastors who have encouraged and tolerated it with their behavior. The consequences of this Irish referendum will now be devastating.

Forty-eight hours after the vote, the main exponents of the German, Swiss and French Episcopal Conferences, under the leadership of Cardinal Reinhard Marx, gathered together in Rome to plan their action in view of the upcoming Synod. According to the journalist present at the meetings, “marriage and divorce”, “sexuality as an expression of love” were the themes discussed. (“La Repubblica” May 26, 2015). The line is the one mapped out by Cardinal Kasper: secularization is an irreversible process which pastoral reality has to adapt to. And for Archbishop Bruno Forte, he who asked for “the codification of homosexual rights” at the last Synod, and who has been confirmed by the Pope as special Secretary to the Synod on the Family, “it is a cultural process of forced secularization in which Europe is fully involved.” (“Corriere della Sera”, May 25, 2015).

There is a final question that cannot be evaded: Pope Francis’ sepulchral silence on Ireland. During the Mass for the opening of the Caritas Assembly on May 12, the Pope thundered against “the powerful of the world” reminding them that “God will judge them one day, and will show if they have really tried to provide food for Him in every person and if they have worked so that the environment is not destroyed, so that it may produce this food”. On November 21, 2014, commenting on the excerpt from the Gospel where Jesus throws out the merchants from the Temple, the Pope launched his anathema, against a Church that thinks only about business affairs and commits “the sin of scandal”.

Francis often rails against corruption i.e. the traffic in slaves and arms along with the vanity of power and money. On June 11, 2014, in reference to corrupt politicians i.e. those who exploit “slave-work” and the “merchants of death” the Pope admonishes “may the fear of God make them understand that one day it will all end and they will have to give an account to God.” The “fear of God” opens the hearts of men “to the goodness, mercy and the caress of God”, but “it is also an alarm in the face of obstinate sin.

Yet isn’t the application of laws regarding the vice against nature incomparably graver than the sins that the Pope recalls so frequently? Why didn’t the Pope launch a vigorous and heartfelt appeal to the Irish in the days prior to the vote, reminding them that the violation of the Divine and Natural Law is a social sin which the people and their pastors will one day have to give account to God for? With this silence, has he not also been an accomplice to this scandal?


[A Rorate translation by contributor Francesca Romana.]


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 36thamendment; 8thamendment; abortion; babykillers; eussr; fartyshadesofgreen; francischurch; homos; homosexualagenda; ireland; marriage
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To: miss marmelstein

Right in line with the timing of Vatican II.


21 posted on 05/26/2018 12:17:43 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv

Yeah. I found a lot of Irish guys in Ireland and NYC were really fast! Far faster putting the moves on a girl than most of the American guys I met. With no chance of a long term relationship, I might add. Too busy off with the boys for another drink. I’m not at all surprised at the embarrassing vote this week.


22 posted on 05/26/2018 12:49:13 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That poll was from European Movement Ireland, and is as believable as the polls that predicted an 87-93 percent chance of a Hillary landslide in 2016.

I’ve been reading reports of hundreds of thousands of Irish “expats” who went to influence the referendum, too. Not unlikely that not all of them were Irish, to boot.

Cromwell was the exception to the rule. Most Irish have forgotten that their vote actually counted in Westminster and they at one time steered the course of the British Empire in that parliament. They had the kind of representation that the American colonists sought but George III never gave (and that Ireland would never, ever have in the EU). Before the perception of draconian justice meted out to the 1916 rebels (many of whom were communists and deserved worse IMHO), the Irish were seeking home rule, i.e. something like the dominion status of Canada.


23 posted on 05/26/2018 1:41:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: miss marmelstein

Nonsequitur. Such people being counted as representative of the whole of Ireland from that era is what is erroneous. If they were, then no Eighth Amendment would have materialized.

And one thing that Ireland does have a lot of is daisies. They’re as common as the stinging nettles.


24 posted on 05/26/2018 1:44:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

You can soft soap the Irish all you want but they voted in a landslide for abortion. In fact, it is being reported that they celebrated in drunken revelries (look at some of the pix on the Daily Fail). America, on the other hand, had abortion forced down its throat by the corrupt courts. And I’ve never seen a block party in support of it.


25 posted on 05/26/2018 2:05:16 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
Your argument has now become convoluted. How can the people who voted against abortion in 1983 (35 years ago) be the same people who voted for abortion now?? I never claimed they were, but you seem to be, and that makes no sense at all, with all due respect.
26 posted on 05/26/2018 2:10:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
It's always good to see who's taking the poll, how it's distributed, how it's worded, and why it was funded. I agree that EMI would not be the most objective group to run a survey.

However, the the region they list as having the lowest support for the EU --- the Connacht-Ulster constituency --- comes in at 89% pro-EU. If they were skewed by 38 percentage points, pro-EU would still be a majority, and I don't think these pollsters have been charged with that kind of hallucinatory-psychotic level of discrepancy. (Unless you've got evidence. I mean, I know there are liars out there.)

Even after applying a broad plus-or-minus, it looks like overwhelming Irish support of the EU to me.

And that's a problem.

27 posted on 05/26/2018 2:14:34 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("What people will submit to, is the exact measure of injustice which will be imposed upon them.")
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To: Olog-hai

I am saying that the seeds of this debacle go back at least until the 1970s. As someone else suggested, when Vatican 2 came to evil fruition. I also think the drinking culture has much to do with this.


28 posted on 05/26/2018 2:18:14 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Da_Shrimp

Looks like a symbolic reference to Leviticus 17:7. The Hebrew word “sa’ir” (literally, a billy-goat) is translated “devils” in the King James and Douay Bibles. Also references the Azazel goat of Leviticus 16.


29 posted on 05/26/2018 2:23:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: miss marmelstein

The “seeds” were everywhere. But if they had taken root in the 1970s in Ireland, then the Eighth Amendment would never have passed in the following decade.


30 posted on 05/26/2018 2:25:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai; miss marmelstein

I think it’s all about sex.

I think the pro-life movement has been seriously misguided. Their public information campaigns are telling people what everybody already knows - “abortion stops a beating heart” - duh!

The fact is, if your culture accepts that young women should be f***ing their brains out with men who would never in a million years marry them, then abortion will become a vital necessity.

From what I know about Irish culture (some), THAT is the major change between 1983 and 2018.


31 posted on 05/26/2018 2:42:19 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: Jim Noble

There were enough of them running off to England to get abortions all from 1967 onwards, but they were never such a big-mouthed “majority” as now, with the government and media supporting and pushing abortion.

This imitation of the USSR will put them on the same road to hell as the USSR was on.


32 posted on 05/26/2018 2:52:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

EMI is not going to publish an honest poll. Think of how we got the 87 to 93 percent pro-Hillary polls over here, which was plainly mendacious.


33 posted on 05/26/2018 2:54:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Jim Noble

Yes, you make an excellent point. Only my dear friend, the late journalist Sidney Zion, admitted that abortion helped men a lot more than women.


34 posted on 05/26/2018 2:59:42 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Jim Noble

And to your main point, abortion was always about illicit sex, and removing responsibility from men thus not permitting them to mature into men, never mind the damage to women and the bloodguilt over the millions of aborted people they are going to have to face in the resurrection.


35 posted on 05/26/2018 3:05:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai; miss marmelstein

Yes, my main point is that the pro-life movement shrinks from attacking the root of the problem.

It’s understandable, because having platoons of 18-23 year old females f***ing their brains out is quite popular.


36 posted on 05/26/2018 3:34:20 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: Jim Noble

Never mind the males.

Marxian “abolition of the family”.

And I’m not fond of the phrase “pro-life”, which is empty of meaning.


37 posted on 05/26/2018 5:47:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

Thank you - I often wondered what the source of the goat imagery was. If “sa ir” is literally a billy goat, I wonder why it got translated as ‘devils’?


38 posted on 05/27/2018 1:52:16 AM PDT by Da_Shrimp
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To: Jim Noble

Quite popular with who?


39 posted on 05/27/2018 5:14:39 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
Quite popular with who?

The boys, of course.

40 posted on 05/27/2018 6:23:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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