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Islamic spokesman calls [called] for No vote in abortion referendum
Irish Times ^ | May 22, 2018 | Patsy McGarry

Posted on 05/27/2018 2:48:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Dr Ali Selim: “The Eighth Amendment protects pregnant women against taking a hasty decision.”

Repeal of the Eighth Amendment “is not compassionate. It is cruel. It gives licence for murder,” Dr Ali Selim of the Islamic Cultural Centre in Dublin’s Clonskeagh has said. Abortion without restriction up to 12 weeks was “abortion for no reason,” he said.

“Bearing in mind their difficult circumstances, the Eighth Amendment protects pregnant women against taking a hasty decision,” he said. “ The right decision is the decision that one takes when one is not under pressure of any type. That said the women’s social, psychological and economic concerns during pregnancy should be addressed urgently,” he said.

“Terms have been hijacked,” he said. “The pro-abortion campaign argues that deciding to continue or to end a pregnancy is a personal and a private decision” and “should be taken in the context of an individual’s unique life circumstances,” he said.

“On the contrary, abortion can never be deemed a personal or a private decision since it has serious societal repercussions. This country, like many other parts of Europe, is in need of young generations; otherwise, we will be an old nation,” he said.

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“Numerous studies have already concluded that the EU’s population is likely to shrink in the coming decades because of prolonged periods of relatively low fertility rates. This falling number of children and young people in the total population could result in labour market shortages.

How can it be progressive when it is going to affect and transform the shape and the structure of our society and be a fundamental factor in creating serious economic issues?

“Legislation for abortion will make it even worse. This situation will affect sustainable economic growth and social life models such as pensions and healthcare services,” he said.

Claims that repeal of the Eighth Amendment would be “progressive and compassionate” were “false”, he said.

“How can it be progressive when it is going to affect and transform the shape and the structure of our society and be a fundamental factor in creating serious economic issues? It will contribute to marking a transition towards a much older population structure, a development that is already apparent in several EU member States.

“As a greater proportion of generation reaches retirement, those of working age will have to carry the burden to provide for the social expenditure required for a range of related services by the ageing population,” he said.

In cases of rape “the compassionate and progressive approach is to legislate for minimising this crisis,” he said. “No one shall kill the innocent,” he said.


TOPICS: Islam; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; islam; selim
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The right decision is the decision that one takes when one is not under pressure of any type.

This is my position too. and the time a woman is not under pressure is before she is pregnant, not while she is pregnant.

21 posted on 05/27/2018 5:03:10 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
Well yeah. "Choice" is a pre-conception right.

My old neighbor on Georgia Avenue used to say, "Chooz before you skruze."

22 posted on 05/27/2018 5:32:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let your Yes be Yes and your No be No; and anyhing beyond that is from the Evil One.)
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To: Tax-chick
I noticed that Donegal--- way, way up on the NW Atlantic edge of Ireland --- was the only County that voted to preserve the pro-life amendment (by a mere 51.9%). Donegal's tiny towns --- like Gweedore, home of Enya, Moya Brennan, Clannad, fiddler-singer Mairéad Ní Mhaonaigh, and so many others--- are also the cradles of the culture of Ireland, with old Irish customs, traditional music, and lots of people who speak Gaelic and listen to RTÉ, Raidió na Gaeltachta, Irish-language radio.

The clans, you see.

But they're waning, falling to the Uniculture. EU culture.

Euthanationalism...

23 posted on 05/27/2018 6:27:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Just damn.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
“On the contrary, abortion can never be deemed a personal or a private decision since it has serious societal repercussions. This country, like many other parts of Europe, is in need of young generations; otherwise, we will be an old nation,” he said.

Mind blown that it is a MUSLIM leader who said this. The UK, Ireland, France, Germany. Totally lost.

24 posted on 05/27/2018 7:27:28 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You know it’s bad when the muslims are making the most sense.


25 posted on 05/27/2018 7:53:35 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: cradle of freedom; Tax-chick
Well, the other thing that pushed abortion over the top in Ireland was the lying.

Very prominently, the Savita Halappanavar media-generated victim narrrative about the lady who supposedly died because a Catholic hospital wouldn't give her an abortion, except she died due to a misdiagnosed septicemia that had nothing to do with her pregnancy.

Remember this one? I just remembered that Free Republic covered it when it happened.

Savita Halappanavar (here)

Lies. And murder. They always go together.

26 posted on 05/27/2018 7:54:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Satan: the Father of Lies, and a murderer from the beginning.)
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To: Romulus

Oy. OOr yaba yay, as they say.


27 posted on 05/27/2018 8:01:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Live and Let Live.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good point. I remember that.


28 posted on 05/28/2018 3:19:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have the easiest life in the history of the world.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

For Ireland, the die is cast.

Irish women will give up on reproduction, at least in numbers sufficient to sustain their culture. The Muslim women will have five babies, the animists from Nigeria and West Africa will have seven.

It will all be over quite soon.

As Mark Steyn says, “it’s not a question of values. It’s a math problem”


29 posted on 05/28/2018 3:24:22 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: Luircin

The replacement for European Christianity is not secular humanism, a dead faith with nothing to sustain a people.

The replacement for Christianity is Islam.


30 posted on 05/28/2018 3:27:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: cradle of freedom
They will use it to push multiculturalism and anything else that they want

But Ireland is so small, and it's "New Irish" from Syria and Nigeria so fertile, that "they" won't be in charge in 20-30 years.

31 posted on 05/28/2018 3:29:35 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I looked up some stats on Donegal. In 2012, that area had the lowest birthrate in Ireland. On the other hand, in 2017, there were 30 babies born during one 5-month period in a town of 550 residents.

It’s possible that Donegal has a higher percentage of older residents relative to other areas. An age-distribution chart for Ireland on Wikipedia showed a concentration of population between age 15 and age 30, the prime demographic for poor sexual choices as well as for “tolerance and inclusion.”


32 posted on 05/28/2018 3:33:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have the easiest life in the history of the world.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
One stupido maximo even said that Ireland would now, because of this glorious vote, be so much more tolerant, more inclusive. Inclusive? Really?

Yes, really.

Check out Ireland 2040.

They need taxpayers to pay the rates and support the social programs, Irish women ALREADY are not replacing the Irish, now, those numbers will crater.

They are PLANNING on 8 million immigrants for 2040. They will get more, much more.

To make this work, they will be required to be more tolerant and inclusive of everything except white Irish babies.

33 posted on 05/28/2018 3:34:56 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: Vince Ferrer; Mrs. Don-o
This is my position too. and the time a woman is not under pressure is before she is pregnant

But it is before she is pregnant, or as they say over there before she falls pregnant, that she is under maximum competitive pressure to bond with a successful and attractive man, and in the presence of both birth control/abortion and widespread rejection of monogamy, the result is 15%-20% of the men with harems of various sizes as girls put out in the vain hope of becoming "the one".

It is this pressure that causes these child murders.

It also causes a large, expanding pool of men with no access to a woman and no hope therefore of a family, and THEIR murderous rage is in the news every single day.

34 posted on 05/28/2018 3:40:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: Jim Noble

All true.

It makes me hurt all over.


35 posted on 05/28/2018 4:24:58 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Live and Let Live.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Most of the immigrants in Ireland are from Poland and other Central European areas, including the Baltics and former Yugoslavia. “Asians” are about 2%, and surely include some Chinese as well as what we call Pakistanis and North Indians.


36 posted on 05/28/2018 4:39:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have the easiest life in the history of the world.)
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To: Tax-chick
Eastern and Central Europe. Very interesting. Donegal becoming "Belgrade West" would be more harmonious than becoming "Marrakesh North."

And, as the Orthodox Celts have proved, Serbs can rock The Rocky Road to Dublin

Axios!

37 posted on 05/28/2018 4:59:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Live and Let Live.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Slavs in the United States often have large families, unlike in their homelands. I wonder if that’s the case in Ireland, as well.

The only family in our subdivision as large as ours is the Ukrainian Evangelicals around the corner, who also had 10, plus grandparents. They bought two houses on adjacent lots! Older than us, so more of the children have moved out.


38 posted on 05/28/2018 5:05:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have the easiest life in the history of the world.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Cool, although I felt a little woozy when the gentleman did a buck-and-wing on the cliff edge.


39 posted on 05/28/2018 5:11:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I have the easiest life in the history of the world.)
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To: Tax-chick

Crazy Serbs!


40 posted on 05/28/2018 7:10:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Live and Let Live.)
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