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Catholics: "God canít solve problems, only party can," read posters in China
Vanguard (Nigeria) ^ | May 23 2008 | Tony

Posted on 06/05/2018 5:00:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Pope Francis has urged Chinese Catholics on Wednesday to show they are in full communion with the Holy See.

The appeal is coming amid what appears to be another stall in the Vatican’s longstanding attempts to reach a deal with Beijing over bishop nominations.

Francis made the comments during his general audience, noting that many Chinese Catholics will be marking a feast day dedicated to the Virgin Mary this week in Sheshan, near Shanghai.

Francis prayed that all Chinese faithful “can live their faith with generosity and serenity, and can make gestures of fraternity, harmony and reconciliation in full communion” with the pope.

China’s estimated 12 million Catholics are split between those belonging to the government-backed Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association and an underground church loyal to the pope. These underground priests and parishioners are frequently detained and harassed.

Francis, and before him, Pope Benedict XVI, have tried to unite the two communities, and in recent months, Vatican officials had expressed hope that a deal to resolve the key stumbling block to reconciliation was nearing completion.

Under the deal, the Vatican would recognize seven bishops not chosen by the pope who have been appointed over the years by Beijing, and two underground bishops named by the pope would step aside. Going forward, the pope would have effective veto power over Beijing-nominated bishops, according to a Vatican official familiar with the talks.

But since the beginning of the year when word first emerged that an agreement was near, China appears to have hardened its position. In February, the government introduced new regulations on religious affairs and has hardened attitudes toward any organization outside the direct control of the Communist Party.

Recent propaganda posters have been popping up around China, saying God can’t solve problems, only the party can. “Go to church each day to study God, no way the spirit can relieve your hardship,” reads one in Henan province south of Beijing. “Go with the party, don’t believe in God, the party will bring us so much happiness.”

Supporters say the Vatican-pushed deal would help the Holy See achieve its years-long goal of bringing all of China’s Catholics ostensibly under the pope’s wing. Critics say the deal is selling out China’s long-suffering underground Catholics to an authoritarian regime.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: china; communist; nigeria; popefrancis
I got this from an interesting website: Vanguard (from Nigeria). I don't know much about them, but, according to Wikipedia, it is one of the few daily newspapers in Nigeria that is considered independent of political control. Having reviewed a few articles, I see they seem to have a viewpoint friendly toward conservative and traditional Catholics.

This article includes details of the Chinese Communist Party's hardening line against religion.

The Vatican has been working toward a merger of the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association (the Party-controlled church) and the underground Church which has always heroically remained in communion with the Holy See. The Vatican's rationale for union is that the Communists would then for the first time acknowledge a Vatican role in the unified Church's right to appoint bishops.

A whole *lot* of observers, including retired Cardinal Joseph Zen of Hong Kong, say that this would be catastrophic, since the Chicoms will never, ever recognize anything like freedom of religion, and have for the past 5 months been clamping down even harder on all religious believers. They say "unity" would be a diabolical deal which would allow the Communist Party to swallow and then annihilate the remaining suffering remnant of faithful Chinese Catholics.

As of now, it seems this proposed merger into "one Catholic Church" has stalled --- from the Party's side.

Let's continue to pray hard that Bergoglio and Parolin back off from this disastrous "unity" proposal.

It seems a gift of God that the "unity deal" is, as of now, indefinitely delayed. Dear Christ, rescue your Bride!

1 posted on 06/05/2018 5:00:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s a shame that Chinese Catholics have to look to this anti-pope for solace while living in a godless communist state.


2 posted on 06/05/2018 5:07:23 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

3 posted on 06/05/2018 5:13:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Vaquero

Too many people forget this is RED China.

And some people know it, but still tout it as the governmental solution to pursue.

RED China. They are tyrants who have figured out how to steal more money is all they are.


4 posted on 06/05/2018 5:15:13 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He sure can allow me to stay away from scumbags and false populism


5 posted on 06/05/2018 5:16:07 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: BenLurkin

Good laugh for the morning.


6 posted on 06/05/2018 5:17:23 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: JudgemAll

“God can’t solve problems, only party can,” read posters in China”

This is an old communist line, starting with the Soviets in the 1920s (posters showed people praying to God for rain, with no result; then the Party arrived and started irrigation; etc.)

In China the Christians pray for the sick and they recover, and those with incurable diseases are healed (including some incredible results).

Conclusion: the Party is wrong about the God stuff...


7 posted on 06/05/2018 5:21:01 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Bergoglio once again capitulates to communists; Let's continue to pray hard that Bergoglio and Parolin back off from this disastrous "unity" proposal.
8 posted on 06/05/2018 5:53:23 AM PDT by heterosupremacist (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. - (Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Of course the "God can't..." comment is absurd, but more importantly we should check our expectations.

We see in 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12:

9 The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders,  10 and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.  11 Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false,  12 so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

and the catechism explains:

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.578 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy*, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.579 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.580

and I would focus your attention on the following:

"The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy"

Note: "progressive ascendancy" is exactly the kind of liberal compromise many are proposing as a solution to our problems.

see my tagline.

9 posted on 06/05/2018 6:18:59 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Not God, but government.
That’s the progressive way. We have it here too.


10 posted on 06/05/2018 6:19:31 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Vaquero
I hear ya. It's a gut-wrenching, soul-harrowing, diabolical situation, being pushed by exactly the wrong guy as pope.

I pray daily for Pope Francis, that he may have what I would want for myself, too: to be converted in heart, to be restrained from doing evil, to be strengthened in doing good.

And for a repentant and peaceful death in God's perfect timing.

11 posted on 06/05/2018 8:10:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Dear Jesus, rescue your Bride.)
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To: CondorFlight
We are in an era of miracles right now. Miracles have never ceased.

The continued courageous resistance of the underground Chinese Catholics is a miracle in itself.

12 posted on 06/05/2018 8:12:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Dear Jesus, rescue your Bride.)
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To: G Larry
Your comments are extremely pertinent and accurate.

We are careening toward a bear trap called "progressive ascendency." Be awake and alert and pray always.

13 posted on 06/05/2018 8:15:22 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Dear Jesus, rescue your Bride.)
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