Faith is not based on proof.
You either believe or you do not believe in the traditional preaching of Jesus Christ, His apostles and successors and His Catholic Church. Some of the traditional teachings of Jesus were written in the Bible and some were preached.
And the Word became flesh*
and made his dwelling among us,
and we saw his glory,
the glory as of the Father’s only Son,
full of grace and truth.
Not the written word was made flesh. Perhaps you should reread the post that specially identified praying to saints in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. There are living saints in Heaven and on earth as part of the Body of Christ - His Holy Church. Reread Revelations where the saints and angels present nuggets of incense (our prayers)as they set them on fire before the Throne of God.
I realize that many do not accept or believe all of the teachings of Jesus Christ or His oral sacred tradition and have separated from Christ’s ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
For example, many do not accept or believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, even though clearly stated in the Bible in several passages.
May you find God’s Truth.
Faith is only as good as the object you place it in. You claim it comes directly from the Apostles. For such a huge claim, you should be able to demonstrate that this is true. Where is the proof? Where is the evidence?
It is not faith. It is just a hope.
You either believe or you do not believe in the traditional preaching of Jesus Christ, His apostles and successors and His Catholic Church. Some of the traditional teachings of Jesus were written in the Bible and some were preached.
Please show this was the traditional teaching before 100ad.
Please show an Apostle ever taught this or believed it.
Please show an unbroken chain of belief through every successor.
You are arguing from authority, while failing to demonstrate that the authority actually believed what you claim.
I am asking you to show exactly this - that the authority believed it.
And the Word became flesh* and made his dwelling among us,
Yes he did and you quoted Scripture to prove it. We agree that He became flesh.
Perhaps you should reread the post that specially identified praying to saints in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Not one was a departed saint. They were alive.
Again, you are putting forth authority (of Scripture, ironically) as if it is teaching what you claim. But not one example you provided showed that anyone prayed to a departed saint.
Reread Revelations where the saints and angels present nuggets of incense (our prayers)as they set them on fire before the Throne of God.
We agree it says they brought incense before the throne of God.
But the passage never says anyone prayed to one of those saints. You are adding that to Scripture.
I realize that many do not accept or believe all of the teachings of Jesus Christ or His oral sacred tradition and have separated from Christ’s ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
Now you are shifting to asserting things that are false. Tradition is not sacred - nor even provable. You are asserting there are "oral" teachings of Christ that we should believe, but you cannot demonstrate what they are. You are claiming the Roman Church is the 'one holy catholic and apostolic church' yet you cannot prove it. You just assert it.
Again and again, you keep showing you assert many things and can't back them up. This is peculiar.
For example, many do not accept or believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, even though clearly stated in the Bible in several passages.
It is not stated.
May you find God’s Truth.
May you find Christ Himself and salvation.
You either believe or you do not believe in the traditional preaching of Jesus Christ, His apostles and successors and His Catholic Church.
Indeed you either believe or you do not believe, but the issue is the basis for either. We are to believe in the traditional preaching of Jesus Christ, His apostles and successors based upon the the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (including how they understood the OT and gospels). which is Scripture, especially Acts thru Revelation.
In which Catholic distinctives are NOT manifest, and thus we are not to believe them if wee would be faithful NT believers.
Some of the traditional teachings of Jesus were written in the Bible and some were preached.
There is far more to Divine revelation than just the gospels, while we have assurance that we have the actual wholly inspired word of God by its preservation in Scripture, God manifestly made writing His most-reliable means of preservation. (Exodus 17:14; 34:1,27; Deuteronomy 10:4; 17:18; 27:3; 31:24; Joshua 1:8; 2 Chronicles 34:15,18-19, 30-31) Psalm 19:7-11; 119; John 20:31; Acts 17:11; Revelation 1:1; 20:12, 15; Matthew 4:5-7; 22:29; Luke 24:44,45; Acts 17:11)
And thus as abundantly evidenced , as written, Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God. Thus the veracity of oral preaching subject to testing by Scripture, and not vice versa.
In contrast to this is assurance based upon the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility as per Rome (and basically in primary cults), for Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.
That is the basis for your assurance that something as spurious as the Assumption is dogma.Yet men such as the apostles could speak as wholly inspired of God, and thereby also provide new public revelation, neither of which Rome claims to do, thus her oral tradition cannot be equal to Scripture, much less effectively make the church magisterium to perpetually be the supreme transcendent authority over both.
However, in trying to support their supreme authority, RCs basically argue that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority.
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus any who knowingly dissent from the latter must be in rebellion to God. Does this fairly represent what you hold to or in what way does it differ?
Perhaps you should reread the post that specially identified praying to saints in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. There are living saints in Heaven and on earth as part of the Body of Christ - His Holy Church. Reread Revelations where the saints and angels present nuggets of incense (our prayers)as they set them on fire before the Throne of God.
I myself have not seen that post, but you evidently have not seen the refutation of these egregious extrapolations.
In brief, nowhere in Scripture do we see any believers engaging in prayer to created beings in Heaven (PTCBIH) , or instructed to do so, despite the Spirit inspiring the recording of over 200 prayers , and of this being a most basic practice, and despite there always being plenty of created beings to pray to, and occasions for it since the Fall, yet the only prayers or offerings in Scripture to anyone else in the spiritual world is by pagans, including to the only Queen of Heaven see therein.
Failing to find even one example of PTCBIH, and with instruction on who to address in prayer to Heaven only being that of to the Lord, thus you must resort to eisegetical extrapolation, presuming those in Heaven can not only hear/understand all prayers from earth, mental or oral (which only God is shown able to do), but that we are to address them, though again the Holy Spirit never mentions even one example of doing so.
Meanwhile, from what I recall, any two-way communication btwn created beings in Heaven and earth required both to somehow be present in the same location, and was not that of asking them to intercede to God for them, and was very rare.
Note that elders and angels offering prayers (Rv. 5:8; 8:4,5) in memorial - like as in Lv. 2:2,15,16; 24:7; Num. 5:15; 16:9, "an offering of memorial" cf. Num. 16:9, - is not that of them being addressed in prayer, nor does it indicate that they had heard them previously, nor is it described as being a regular postal service, but it is one of the things which is a preclude to the final judgments upon the earth, testifying to the persecutions of the saints by the devil and world that it fit to be punished.
For when "He maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. (Psalms 9:12; cf. Genesis 4:10) and before judgment God brings forth testimony of the warrant for it, which includes the cry of those martyred souls under the altar in Rv. 6:9, and with odors representing prayer, akin to Leviticus 6:15, "burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the Lord." (Leviticus 6:15
I realize that many do not accept or believe all of the teachings of Jesus Christ or His oral sacred tradition and have separated from Christ’s ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
Shouting it my make you feel better, but it is a poor substitute for actual substantiation from Scripture, in context. However, Catholic theology even holds that one cannot even discover the contents of the Bible apart from faith in her, and thus they place conversion as necessary before belief in the Bible. Which is another arrogant fallacious argument.
For example, many do not accept or believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, even though clearly stated in the Bible in several passages. May you find God’s Truth.
That water was the blood of men and that men were bread for the elect is also clearly stated in the Bible, while NOWHERE are believers in the NT church shown looking to a separate class of celibate (with rare exceptions) believers (priests ) whose primary unique function is that of offering the Eucharist as a sacrifice for sins, and dispensing it to the people as the being the food that makes us live for ever in Jesus Christ.
Nor that Eucharist was the the true and proper and lifegiving flesh and blood of Jesus Christ our Lord,” being corporeally present whole and entire in His physical "reality.” (Mysterium Fidei, Encyclical of Pope Paul VI, 1965) under the appearance of non-existent bread and wine, down to the smallest particle, until the non-existent species manifests decay.
Which theology is rather extensively dealt with here , by the grace of God.
Your faith is not to be based upon the claims of the RCC and her unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility, but upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, which is how the NT church began.