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To: Zionist Conspirator
What is the purpose of chrstianity or the crucifixion of there was nothing wrong with us to begin with? We already had a religion of morality and ritual, and it certainly didn't need to be replaced by another one. I concluded immediately that what wasn't broke didn't need fixin'.

So, you have never sinned?

    For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (Leviticus 17:11)

    But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. (Romans 3:21-28)

52 posted on 06/24/2018 1:44:47 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: boatbums
So, you have never sinned?

Where in the flippin' blazes did you get the idea that I was saying I never sinned??? One of my main problems with the ancient churches during my search was that they didn't seem to think we were that messed up. Catholicism (not I) says that human nature was merely "wounded" by original sin (I grew up with Innate Total Depravity!). I explicitly said that since historical chrstianity acknowledged the teachings on human nature of the Talmud why in the name of all that's reasonable invent a new religion when there already was one?

Until Martin Luther chrstians lived their entire lives walking a tightrope over hell. There was no "assurance of salvation," no "eternal security," or any such thing. I feel like I'm telling a little kid there's no Santa Claus when I point out that Protestantism did not exist in the ancient chrstian world. All of ancient chrstianity--from Rome to Persia to India to Ethiopia--is about liturgies, sacraments, moral codes, and monasticism. The idea that Constantine is responsible for all that is ludicrous.

The only version of chrstianity that makes sense is inauthentic and ahistorical. Actual historic chrstianity replaced the Torah's morality and ritual with another morality and ritual, then threw a crucifixion on top of it and screamed about how the Jews had committed "the greatest crime in history" (I always thought he was vicariously eternally damned by G-d in our place, but this is another "invention").

Finally (and I know this is useless since you refuse to even think about it), the two quotes you offer are a perfect example of chrstian error on this subject. You believe they are from "the same identical bible" but they most assuredly are not. Hebrews says "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin." Leviticus does not say that. It says that it is forbidden to eat blood because when an offering is made it is the blood (rather than the other parts) of the animal that makes atonement. This is not the same thing as saying "without blood there is no forgiveness of sin." You probably won't see it because you begin with an a priori belief in the "new testament." If you did not have that a prior belief you would see the difference.

I have devoted years on this forum to defending Fundamentalist Protestants and refuting their critics. I was broken hearted to learn the truth, but it's still the truth. Unless someone invents a time machine so they can go back and insert Protestantism into chrstianity's beginnings the real thing will be what it always was until 1517.

58 posted on 06/24/2018 5:53:12 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ("Conservatism" without G-d is just another form of Communism.)
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