Posted on 07/07/2018 3:53:11 PM PDT by marshmallow
Pope Francis, ‘unnoticed, has gradually been putting women into positions of power’
Priests have no credibility when it comes to training people for marriage, according to the most senior Irish cleric in the Vatican.
Cardinal Kevin Farrell, from Drimnagh in Dublin and prefect (head) of the Vatican’s Dicastery for Laity, Family and Life said “priests are not the best people to train others for marriage.
“They have no credibility; they have never lived the experience; they may know moral theology, dogmatic theology in theory, but to go from there to putting it into practice every day....they don’t have the experience.”
Clericalism is dead, the Cardinal behind the World Meeting of Families in Dublin next month also said, “not because we’ve done anything to kill it, but out of sheer numbers.” In Dallas, where he was Bishop from 2007 to 2016, “we have a million and a half Catholics and 75 priests, with a 45 to 50 per cent rate of (Mass) attendance.Those 75 priests are not going to be interested in organising marriage meetings,” he said.
“We have to worry about the 99 per cent, about the baptised, and not worry about the other things we have been obsessed with.” (Dublin’s Catholic archdiocese, with a population of 1.15 million Catholics, has 413 diocesan and religious priests).
(Excerpt) Read more at irishtimes.com ...
No. Just to me, max..
“Look, you guys are having problems you know..getting it on after 10 years? You have 2 kids and want to know where the romance went?..etc.”
Saint Paul:
7 But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. Yet each person has a special gift from God, of one kind or another.
8 So I say to those who aren’t married and to widows—it’s better to stay unmarried, just as I am.
- 1 Corinthians 7 (for further context)
yes, but it is some preparation
I didn’t say what I wanted, i said what i think happens. You can’t watch your parents they way they treat each other and you and other people like siblings and not learn something.
That is true. You are correct.
If the priest’s parents had a perfect or dysfunctional marriage, there were lessons learned, either on what to do or what not to do. The priest would also have had a circle of friends whose parents had marriages different from his own parents’ that he would have observed over time ... they get as wide a view as most.
And as previously noted, nothing, absolutely nothing, or no body, prepares you for living your marriage day to day, year after year, good times and bad. We should all come into marriage fairly matured and with an open mind and heart, and willingness to adapt, often from day to day.
Peter was also single. As were ALL the disciples. God saw them fit to be overseers.
Again: Saint Paul in 1 Cor 7:
7 But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. Yet each person has a special gift from God, of one kind or another.
8 So I say to those who aren’t married and to widows—it’s better to stay unmarried, just as I am.
In the same vein, couples should never go to an unmarried marriage counsellor. Their textbooks can in no way cover the realities of wedded bliss (or dearth).
By that logic you would need to be crazy to be a psychiatrist.
What is controversial though are the disciples’ pasts...as in were any of them widowed?
God Himself said that it was not good for man to be alone and God Himself who created woman to be his helper and companion.
God created sex, and He instituted marriage and blessed it.
The Catholic church can beat the sex is bad/marriage is bad drum all they want and they are only going to be at odds with God.
I agree that a priest has as good a chance of giving an engaged couple or a married couple some useful guidance as anyone else does. My husband and I (married 30 years next February 4) had premarital counseling with a Methodist Air Force chaplain, but a priest or any lay counselor could have done the same “curriculum.”
In my opinion, the main thing about marriage is endurance, and you can be told about that by anyone who’s honest.
They never listen.
Clever!
The Catholic Church lays out the most beautiful sacramental path to marriage rooted in the “mystery” Paul speaks - of the union betwixt Christ and his church in Ephesians 5.
And some of the happiest long-time couples I know are devout Catholics. <3
No play-a da game, no make-a da rules.
I have heard that elsewhere, but celibate priests still have had the experience of living and growing up in families, and has plenty of time in their formative years to see, some at very close and first-hand experience, how NOT to play the game, and the presence of any number of traps and pitfalls that people can get themselves into.
Too true -
The Catholic Church lays out the most beautiful sacramental path to marriage rooted in the “mystery” Paul speaks - of the union betwixt Christ and his church in Ephesians 5.
And some of the happiest long-time couples I know are devout Catholics.
“They have no credibility; they have never lived the experience; they may know moral theology, dogmatic theology in theory, but to go from there to putting it into practice every day....they don’t have the experience.”
They can teach, if they had any bible courses in seminary, but training is another story.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.