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Fort Worth [Catholic] Diocese Removes "No Gun" Signs From Church Property
The Boston Pilot ^ | 7/9/18 | CNA Staff

Posted on 07/11/2018 6:12:07 PM PDT by marshmallow

Fort Worth, Texas, Jul 7, 2018 CNA/EWTN News.- The Diocese of Fort Worth is removing signs notifying people that concealed and open carry of firearms are both banned on church property – but the policy against guns has not changed.

Removal of the signs was recommended by a security team whom the diocese hired as consultants after a mass shooting at a Baptist church in Sutherland Springs last November, NBC reported.

Tony Perez, a parishioner at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, has a license to carry firearms, but had been advocating for the removal of the signs.

He told Dallas-Fort Worth’s NBC affiliate that the signs were “effectively advertising a gun-free zone,” which notified individuals seeking to do harm that the location was vulnerable.

Instead of posting signs near the entrances of churches throughout the diocese, notification of the gun ban will be included in weekly Sunday bulletins, NBC said.

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1 posted on 07/11/2018 6:12:07 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Kind of like putting up a “Premises Alarmed” without having an alarm, only without the sticker.


2 posted on 07/11/2018 6:14:43 PM PDT by C210N (Republicans sign check fronts; 'Rats sign check backs.)
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To: marshmallow

Guess you really can improve on stupid ... but it takes management to make those quantum leaps!


3 posted on 07/11/2018 6:18:51 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Start using cash and checks or the elite class and bankers will make "cashless" the norm.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Maybe you can get these liberal bishops to provide free funerals, when the unthinkable happens.


4 posted on 07/11/2018 6:24:16 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: George from New England

Probably some democrat priests getting the willies.


5 posted on 07/11/2018 6:31:22 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: marshmallow
They should put up signs saying

"One in three parishioners is packing heat."

"It is right and just."

6 posted on 07/11/2018 6:37:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Experience trumps brilliance.)
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To: marshmallow

the day that the church I go to put up a guns band sign is the day I stop going there.


7 posted on 07/11/2018 6:39:57 PM PDT by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
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To: marshmallow
Instead of posting signs near the entrances of churches throughout the diocese, notification of the gun ban will be included in weekly Sunday bulletins

So guns are still banned.

8 posted on 07/11/2018 6:42:50 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Have they forgotten “the church militant”?


9 posted on 07/11/2018 6:43:46 PM PDT by miele man
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To: marshmallow

By the way, a pastor at a Catholic parish in Fort Worth recently told me that his parish is forming a “protection team” of retired police officers (i.e. people who have right to carry weapons that goes beyond the usual CCW laws - at least that’s how he explained it to me) who can be expected to be on church property on Sundays, feast days, at night during choir practices, CCD classes and so on. They’re think very proactively.


10 posted on 07/11/2018 6:48:18 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

At my church we have several of those retired officers, armed, and in plain clothes. They sit in the back pews, all with the full knowledge and consent of the pastor.

My church is in Texas also.


11 posted on 07/11/2018 6:52:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ladyjane

Isn’t the church’s ban, written or not, unconstitutional?


12 posted on 07/11/2018 6:53:41 PM PDT by Marchmain (Let freedom ring)
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To: marshmallow

“Instead of posting signs near the entrances of churches throughout the diocese, notification of the gun ban will be included in weekly Sunday bulletins, NBC said.”

Because mass shooters can’t read.


13 posted on 07/11/2018 6:55:05 PM PDT by sitetest (No longer mostly dead.)
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To: Marchmain

...Isn’t the church’s ban, written or not, unconstitutional?...
No. It’s not part of the local, county, state, or Federal government. 2A only applies to government actors. The church can make their own rules about this.


14 posted on 07/11/2018 7:49:00 PM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: Marchmain

Unconstitutional? Perhaps, but not because of the Church (a private organization). Any blame would rest on the Texas Legislature, because they passed state laws making such a ban enforceable. From the Diocese of Ft. Worth’s policy:

“Rationale:
In 1996, the Texas Legislature approved the carrying of concealed handguns, but the law prohibited them from being carried on Church and School premises. In 2016, the law was amended to allow the open carry of handguns and the statute left the prohibitions in place. However, for the law to take effect on Diocesan property effective notice must be given.”

That said, a gun ban as such does violate a natural law right to self-defense. As such, I would propose that any parishioner who carries a firearm legally has violated no moral law, because the diocesan policy is unjust... it doesn’t conform to divine law manifested in the natural law. The bishops who have enacted such policies were wrong to do so (Ft. worth is not the only one) and have capitulated to the spirit of the age.

The whole policy (without the changes mentioned in the article) is here: https://fwdioc.org/dioc-weapons-policy.pdf


15 posted on 07/11/2018 7:51:03 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Trump doesn't suffer fools, but fools will suffer Trump. Make America Great Again!)
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To: miele man

They have.


16 posted on 07/12/2018 3:33:46 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: ladyjane
Instead of posting signs near the entrances of churches throughout the diocese, notification of the gun ban will be included in weekly Sunday bulletins

So guns are still banned.

My understanding is, Texas has required signage. You want to ban guns, you have to post the sign.

Any rule would be a church rule.

17 posted on 07/12/2018 4:31:20 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: marshmallow
Instead of posting signs near the entrances of churches throughout the diocese, notification of the gun ban will be included in weekly Sunday bulletins, NBC said.

They do realize that, legally, they are no longer under 30.06/30.07, right? posting some kind of announcement in the bulletin does not constitute written notice. Not everyone gets one, no one reads all of it, and they're handed out by volunteers (not people with authority to speak for the property) AT THE END OF MASS. If their policy isn't changing, then why bother taking the signs down? Everyone who sees that will, obviously, conclude that the churchs' policies HAVE changed.
18 posted on 07/13/2018 9:33:00 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Sasparilla
No. It’s not part of the local, county, state, or Federal government. 2A only applies to government actors. The church can make their own rules about this.

So? Where in the 2A does it say "Congress shall not" or anything like that? Where and how it that statement limited only to governmental actors?
19 posted on 07/13/2018 9:35:13 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: ladyjane
So guns are still banned.

Not without a 30.06 compliant sign.

20 posted on 07/13/2018 9:40:19 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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