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To: Luircin

“Christ instituted the sacraments of the new law. There are seven: Baptism, Confirmation, the Eucharist, Penance, the Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders and Matrimony. The seven sacraments touch all the stages and all the important moments of Christian life: they give birth and increase, healing and mission to the Christian’s life of faith. There is thus a certain resemblance between the stages of natural life and the stages of the spiritual life” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1210).

Please explain that some sacraments have no foundation?

So who is the arbiter of what the Word actually says?


11 posted on 07/13/2018 9:06:50 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
Christ instituted the sacraments of the new law.

There is no *new law*.

The Law cannot save.

There is only the new covenant, which is based on faith, not Law.

You err because you depend on the teachings of man and not Scripture.

13 posted on 07/13/2018 9:18:42 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: ADSUM; Luircin
Please explain that some sacraments have no foundation?

Nope. You need to explain the foundation, from Scripture, that you claim they DO have.

So who is the arbiter of what the Word actually says?

well, it isn't Catholicism, that's for sure cause they've had some 2,000 years to inform the world officially what Scripture means and they have not as yet produced an official, Vatican approved interpretation of every verse of the Bible.

And it isn't like they haven't had the time or resources.

Scripture interprets Scripture. Any interpretation must be consistent with the entire body of reveal Truth. IOW, Any interpretation of Scripture must not contradict other passages of it.

Also, the Holy Spirit enlighten one's mind to understand what Scripture is saying, when the plain meaning isn't clear enough.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” Be we have the mind of Christ.

14 posted on 07/13/2018 9:24:56 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: ADSUM

Please explain that some sacraments have no foundation?

So who is the arbiter of what the Word actually says?

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1: Imagine some cultist out there claiming to follow Jesus but coming up with a ‘sacrament’ that involves, say, doing the Hammerdance while dressed up as Freddy Fazbear and chugging pina coladas and claiming that it gives salvation. That would be a sacrament that has no foundation.

2: The Lord, and the words are pretty darn simple to understand too, especially the New Testament, considering that it was meant to be read to believers of all levels of social class and education.

Did you have to get so defensive?


15 posted on 07/13/2018 9:34:57 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: ADSUM

.....”Baptism, Confirmation, the Eucharist, Penance, the Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders and Matrimony.”....

The thief on the cross had none of that and yet Jesus said he would be with Him in paradise. The thief only acknowleged he was guilty of his sin and that Jesus was not, then asked he be remembered when he entered his kingdom. Jesus responded with ‘the assurance’ the thief would be with Him.


20 posted on 07/14/2018 8:12:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: ADSUM
So who is the arbiter of what the Word actually says?

God is more than adequate as the arbiter. Those who study Scripture independent of His guidance sin already.

25 posted on 07/14/2018 9:47:14 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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