[irishjuggler]

There are roughly two possible ways that this will go. Either (1) tradition wins and a smaller, more faithful Church is restored; or (2) the Church goes all in with modernism, fully co-opting the (failed) program of liberal protestantism (homosexuality approved & celebrated, women priests approved and celebrated, and, yes, abortion approved & celebrated.). In the John Paul 2 era, many thought there was a middle way of modernist liturgy & practice, combined with with traditional doctrine/dogma. Bergoglio has pretty much proven that there is no middle way. The center has collapsed. It's traditional, pre-Vatican 2 Catholicism (e.g., with a Church that's smaller than it is now but more faithful) or liberal protestantism (which gains the approval of the social elites but ultimately collapses into total irrelevance as the mainline protestant churches of Europe and North America have already done) . Pick one.

Sadly, there's not a doubt in my mind that the powers that be in the Vatican and a large number of the episcopate are in favor of Door #2. On the other hand, somehow the Holy Spirit may prevail against them.

[Falconspeed]

Good point. “There are roughly two possible ways that this will go.”

Both. Just as the Democrats are destroying their party, so too the Modernists are destroying their church. “Cut off his nose to spite his face.” “Shoot yourself in the foot.” Stuff like that.

Sad thing is that the Democrats are destroying their country and modernists are sending themselves to damnation - and don’t even know it. Pitiful.

What do to? A new party will replace the Democrats. New Catholics will replace the Modernists. We have seen this in history before where 80% of the Catholics were Arians in the 300’s.