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[Cath Cauc] Catholics tell Cupich: Clerical sex abuse ‘has everything to do with homosexuality’
Church Militant ^ | August 8, 2018 | Claire Chreitien

Posted on 08/08/2018 5:56:09 PM PDT by ebb tide

According to Pope Francis-appointed Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago, homosexuality in the clergy isn’t the main issue in the sex abuse crisis, and saying so is a “diversion” away from the real issue, clericalism.

Cupich, one of the most left-leaning, pro-gay bishops in the country, made these comments in an interview with America magazine.

“In the weeks since allegations were made against Archbishop McCarrick, some commentators and clergy have suggested that allowing gay men to be priests has created a culture ripe for the kind of abuse Archbishop McCarrick is alleged to have committed,” the Jesuit publication reported. “But Cardinal Cupich said he ‘would be very careful’ in accepting that conclusion, noting that similar claims made during the height of the child sexual abuse crisis in the 2000s were refuted by an independent 2011 report compiled by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.”

Cupich also praised the Dallas Charter, the U.S. bishops’ document on dealing with sex abuser priests, as having been effective at removing now ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, even though it specifically avoids addressing consequences for predatory bishops. He made a number of other comments about the need for “a review to confirm if policies that already were in place were not followed” and how “shocked” he was to learn about McCarrick’s pederasty.

“Cardinal Cupich sounds more like a bureaucrat than a pastor,” Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, Founder and President of the Ruth Institute and the author of the forthcoming book The Sexual State, told LifeSiteNews. “I am particularly concerned that he is recycling the old canard from the 2002 go-round of clerical sex abuse: ‘this has nothing to do with homosexuality.’”

“Both the 2004 and the 2011 John Jay Reports concluded that 80% of the cases of sexual abuse of minors were of adolescent boys,” she pointed out. “That has something to do with homosexual activity. The current crisis is about seminarians being sexually harassed by their superiors. That has something to do with homosexual activity.”

Austin Ruse, President of the Center for Family and Human Rights, echoed Morse’s sentiments.

"Cardinal Cupich continues the false narrative that the sex abuse scandals in 2002 had nothing to do with homosexuality when in fact, more than 80% of the cases were adult men assaulting teen boys,” the international pro-life and pro-family activist said. “Then and now this scandal has everything to do with homosexuality. We simply will not allow them to get away with this narrative, particularly since McCarrick's sexual predation was on adult men.”

George Neumayr, author of The Political Pope: How Pope Francis Is Delighting the Liberal Left and Abandoning Conservatives and a book about former President Obama’s attacks on religious freedom, had strong words for Cupich and Washington’s Cardinal Donald Wuerl, the latter of whom recently said the U.S. bishops should investigate themselves.

“These charlatans don’t need a new bureaucratic panel; they need an exorcist,” he wrote on Facebook.

Father Thomas Berg, a professor of moral theology at St. Joseph’s Seminary, tweeted that Cupich’s “immediate defensiveness about homosexuality in the priesthood...typifies what is so wrong in episcopal culture.”

Cupich is either ‘completely out of touch with reality’ or ‘a liar’

Dr. Janet Smith, a moral theologian at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit, said, “I believe that [Cardinal] Cupich is correct that clericalism is a great problem in the Church perhaps as seriously for how priests and seminarians are treated by their fellow priests as laity are treated by priests. Too many priests are petty tyrants who will not share power and who wield their power to their own advantage rather than to serve others.”  

“So yes, clericalism does need to be addressed and one hopes that when the problem of homosexual networks in diocese[s] and orders is eliminated, other problems in the priesthood can be addressed,” she told LifeSiteNews. “What those who are involved in homosexual networks are guilty of is not just ‘sexual misbehavior’ or ‘sexual misconduct’; it sometimes involves assault and misuse of power and just plain old mortal sin.”

Another thing Cupich said to America was that he thinks the Church needs new structures to report what the magazine described as “sexual misconduct not involving children.” America wrote:

“If there was a misstep in this, so that people did not have the means by which they could put forward a complaint with objectivity and security, [knowing] that it would be acted on, then we need to put [that] in place,” Cardinal Cupich said.

But, he said, there is no need to “invent any new machinery” in order to adopt policies for reporting such allegations.

“An H.R. department would know how to help us do that, and we should learn from those best practices,” the cardinal said.

“We have heard so many stories of priests brave enough to report immoral sexual advances and forced sexual contact that have been ignored by bishops or which have been used against the priests who report, to very much want to have an investigation into dioceses to find out whether bishops have [dealt] well or poorly with reports of priests, heterosexual and homosexual, who have behaved immorally and been reported,” Smith continued. “This is a deep ugly problem that simply good ‘HR’ offices are not capable of addressing.”

Michael Hichborn, President of the Lepanto Institute, said Cupich’s interview “shows that he is either completely out of touch with reality or he is a liar.”

“His praise [for] the Dallas Charter for the protection of children as ‘effective in removing the former Cardinal’ is a sick joke!” Hichborn told LifeSiteNews. “That charter was not only drafted by McCarrick, but it specifically omitted bishops from actionable culpability. How could it have played a role in McCarrick's removal when all of the bishops who would have known about what McCarrick was doing were complicit in covering it all up?”

Hichborn, too, noted it is bizarre that Cupich would say the John Jay reports – which showed that most priestly sex abuse cases involved post-pubescent males – proved homosexuality in the clergy is not a major issue.

“It simply isn't possible that the main driving force behind the scandal isn't homosexual priests when the vast majority of the victims are males,” he said. “And since he read the report, Cardinal Cupich knows this.”

“Given the revelations surrounding Archbishop McCarrick, it's clear that there has got to be a complete and thorough removal of ALL homosexual clergymen from the Church,” said Hichborn. “All of them! And it won't happen unless the laity not only demand it, but withhold their financial contributions to the bishops until we are sure that every single homosexual priest is removed.”

Bishops who ‘deny the homosexual angle’ should be investigated too

“The lay faithful are not going to be diverted by attempts to change the subject. Clergy living active homosexual lives are causing a lot of problems in the Church,” Dr. Morse told LifeSiteNews. “They are hurting their victims.They are also hurting the good, holy and innocent priests who are all under suspicion.”

If the bishops won't face these problems, the laity will have to find new and imaginative ways of applying pressure,” she warned. On her blog, she crunched numbers from the John Jay reports to demonstrate how they do, in fact, show homosexuality is a big issue in clerical sex abuse cases – and that the reports are “no comfort at all in today’s context,” given they do not address harassment seminarians face from superiors and the problem of adult-on-adult sexual predation. 

Ruse called for scrutiny of those in the Church who support parishes that defy Catholic teaching on sexual morality.

“Our investigations should include all those who support and promote so-called gay affirming parishes and even those who deny the homosexual angle,” he said.

Dr. Smith said a purge of sexually corrupt priests will leave the Church with a “small priesthood” but one that is more pure.

“Bishops must go through their memories and files to dig out what accusations there have been of sexually sinful behavior by priests but especially by priests involved in networks that harm other individuals,” Dr. Smith suggested. “If the bishop doesn't have ‘proof’ of the alleged immoral behavior [he needs] to use what moral means there are to obtain [it].”

“And then they should ask unrepentant priests to seek laicization. We will have a small priesthood and likely fewer parishes...but we need a [clergy] that strives at all times for holiness and who can truly manifest their stature of being ‘in persona Christi’ in more than a window dressing way,” said the professor.



TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: bishops; caulk; cupich; francischurch; homos; homosexualagenda; pederasty
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1 posted on 08/08/2018 5:56:09 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Neumeyer is right.


2 posted on 08/08/2018 6:01:07 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: ebb tide

So That’s why its called a “Bishopric!”


3 posted on 08/08/2018 6:11:27 PM PDT by WriteRight (WriteRight)
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To: ebb tide
“And then they should ask unrepentant priests to seek laicization. We will have a small priesthood and likely fewer parishes...but we need a [clergy] that strives at all times for holiness and who can truly manifest their stature of being ‘in persona Christi’ in more than a window dressing way,”

Pretty sure that's what Pope Benedict said. Interesting how he got removed from the equation, isn't it?

4 posted on 08/08/2018 6:16:44 PM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
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To: ebb tide

The Church is sadly rife with homosexual priests and they have a lot of power. They’re called the Pink Mafia or Pink Clergy. And of course this is root and stem of the sexual abuse of mostly young boys. Anyone who disputes this is an idiot, ignorant, or a liar.


5 posted on 08/08/2018 6:25:42 PM PDT by piytar (If it was not for double standards, the Democrats and the left would have NO standards.)
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To: ebb tide

I have a brother and sister (her husband) who left the catholic church because of abuse by our priest. They both belong to different denominations now but don’t attend regularly. All we can do is pray for them.


6 posted on 08/08/2018 6:34:28 PM PDT by mdan41
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To: ebb tide
Lifesite News has been heroic in their coverage of this difficult issue.

Expect them to come under attack by those who are the problem.

If you have the misfortune of belonging to a liberal parish, consider letting the Pastor know that you're contributing to Lifesite News, because they're doing a better job at resolving fundamental problems within the Church.

7 posted on 08/08/2018 7:02:54 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: ebb tide

Most likely the pope, bishops, Hollywood and MSM will coordinate and make it an administrative issue, leaving out homosexuality entirely. Goal, to support left which includes gays. Then everything will settle down, only a few heads rolling for show.

Or, unlikely but possible, the laity, writers and Catholic leaders will rise up to insist on the truth of the lavender mafia. But then the Church will be condemned as homophobic, totally ridiculed on talk shows and magazines, boycotted by pink hats, vilified, banned on FB and Twitter! Probably some churches or even church goers will be brutally attacked. And not just in USA.

Choose your poison, there is no easy way out of the mess.


9 posted on 08/08/2018 8:53:44 PM PDT by Marchmain (Things are not what they seem.)
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To: ebb tide
+Cupich is correct that "clericalism" is a problem, but he's missing the irony of it. The worst clericalism is the blind denial on the part of some bishops toward the demonstrated problem of unrepentant homosexuality (and other sexual immorality) among clergy, whether it intersects with abuse of minors or not.

The choice of American bishops to exempt themselves from the Essential Norms adopted in 2002 and revised in 2006 raises many questions. The circles of silence surrounding +McCarrick, +O'Brien (of Scotland), +Wesołowski, +Daneels, and the scandals in Chile and Honduras (among others) raise even more questions, especially considering they touch the highest levels of the Roman Curia (including no less than two of the Cardinals of Pope Francis' C9 advisory group).

10 posted on 08/08/2018 9:06:54 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Trump doesn't suffer fools, but fools will suffer Trump. Make America Great Again!)
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To: Marchmain
Or, unlikely but possible, the laity, writers and Catholic leaders will rise up to insist on the truth of the lavender mafia. But then the Church will be condemned as homophobic, totally ridiculed on talk shows and magazines, boycotted by pink hats, vilified, banned on FB and Twitter! Probably some churches or even church goers will be brutally attacked. And not just in USA.

Choose your poison, there is no easy way out of the mess.

I choose the second one, because at least it means the Church gets to keep a shred of integrity.

11 posted on 08/08/2018 9:10:36 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Trump doesn't suffer fools, but fools will suffer Trump. Make America Great Again!)
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To: representativerepublic

You’re no longer a Catholic?


13 posted on 08/09/2018 4:46:20 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ebb tide

Francis will “clarify” Church teaching on homosexuality and its relationship (or lack thereof) to sex abuse in another change to the “catechism”. I predict within the next year.


14 posted on 08/09/2018 5:20:46 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide

Well, it IS altar BOYS being abused in 99.999% of cases.


15 posted on 08/09/2018 6:50:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: representativerepublic
I was baptized a Catholic, went to Catholic school for 13 years, including Jesuit high school. God is my creator and Jesus Christ is my savior. But--- Satan has taken over.

I'm not there yet, but I agree, that day could be coming. A lot of us are going to face our Martin Luther moment the way things are going. Francis is a Dictator, and frankly I don't see ANYTHING that is going to stop him. Certainly not the Dubia sending him strongly worded letters. Very lengthy, strongly worded letters. We are going to eventually face the choice of whether to stay in a church that embraces sodomy and abortion, or move on and start over.


16 posted on 08/09/2018 6:54:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Neumeyer is right.


I thought i read the article but never saw that name.


17 posted on 08/09/2018 9:59:11 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Left lane drivers and tailgaters have the smallest brains in the world.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Neumeyer is right.


I thought i read the article but never saw that name, so who is Neumeyer and what is he right about?


18 posted on 08/09/2018 10:00:14 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Left lane drivers and tailgaters have the smallest brains in the world.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Neumeyer is right.


I finally woke up and found it, and i agree.


19 posted on 08/09/2018 10:05:54 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Left lane drivers and tailgaters have the smallest brains in the world.)
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To: ebb tide

I had a thought today that the sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is sort of an infiltration by homosexuals. I think it’s a definite agenda to both set boys down the path of lifelong homosexuality and to bring down the Catholic Church.


20 posted on 08/16/2018 11:07:43 PM PDT by Crucial
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