Posted on 08/11/2018 10:24:01 AM PDT by Salvation
And Protestants that perform infant baptisms see it the same way. In fact, I heard it more than once that infant dedications are just waterless baptisms.
Just because the RCC imbues baptism with mystic properties does not invalidate the practice.
Sorry I was confused. Limitations of the medium!
“That is the same number of post-Pentecost infant dedications in the NT as well.”
At the dedications I’ve been to, the people in the church promise to try to help the child grow up with Christian support. I doubt any Apostles would have a problem with that.
I do think they might wonder how “believe and be baptized” was turned into “be baptized and maybe someday believe”.
:P Re-read my replies starting at 35 if you have time.
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>> “No. He does not.” <<
Actually, yes she does. She has so stated many times.
There are many here that really believe that the rituals of the RCC are what save.
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Let’s expand a little on John 3:5 -
3 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “How can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
Seems pretty obvious water and spirit refers to being born in the flesh and being born again in the spirit. Sure matches the context.
It is a good question.
I suspect sometime as the church in Rome shifted from Salvation via faith to their current (and false) treasury of merit distributed via a sacramental system.
As long as people are not taught that water baptism saves a child, no problem.
But is is a ceremony that is not Biblical, so leadership must teach correctly.
“Why infant baptism?”
Because people still like made-up stuff? Just a guess.
I take that to more mean to share with others. I, personally, believe that a priest is simply another person, not someone with the ability to give me forgiveness. I should have phrased it better. I go directly to God to confess my sins and ask for forgiveness.
I see more support by inference for infant baptism than I do for infant dedications in the NT. But I have never see either side say the ceremony was un-Biblical.
Please see post 61.
In the Sacrament of Penance we know that God forgives our sins and then forgets them.
The formula of absolution used in the Latin Church expresses the essential elements of this sacrament: The Father of mercies is the source of all forgiveness. He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:
God, the Father of mercies, through the death and the resurrection of his Son has reconciled the world to himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins; through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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Confessing to your peers is the important part.
It seals your honesty to them.
Its the opposite of being a ‘pharisee.’
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"The idea of dedicating a child to the Lord can certainly be found in the Bible. Hannah was a barren wife who promised to dedicate her child to God if He would give her a son (1 Samuel 1:11). Luke 2:22 begins the account of Mary and Joseph taking Jesus to the temple after forty days in order to dedicate Him to the Lord. This was slightly more involved since it involved a sacrifice, but once again this ceremony did not indicate any level of salvation.https://www.gotquestions.org/baby-dedication.html
There are no examples of baptizing infants in the NT.
There are no commands to baptize infants in the NT - which is strange, if it saves.
Those powers are passed down from Christ through the Bishop when he ordains a priest.
You might want to do a little more research on this matter.
Nah, just an old Roman Wives tale.
Christ's words, "Go therefore to all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Or is that missing from your Bible, too?
May God assist you with your unbelief.
And dedications in the OT were far more serious than just bringing up the child in the Jewish. The OT examples meant that their lives were to be in complete service of God.
Furthermore, I do not see infant dedications being taught to the NT church. I would have to do some study to see when this practice was introduced.
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