Posted on 08/14/2018 4:06:04 PM PDT by marshmallow
Child sexual abuse revealed in confession would have to be reported to police and could be used as evidence if the Coalition wins Victoria's state election, the Opposition's most senior Catholic MP has announced.
The Royal Commission into Institutional Response to Child Sexual Abuse last year recommended that states introduce laws to make it a criminal offence to fail to disclose abuse revealed in the confessional.
The Andrews Government has not ruled it out, but said it wanted to first examine a uniform national approach.
Nationals Leader Peter Walsh told the ABC a Coalition Victorian government would change the law to allow information given in the confessional to be used as evidence and make it an offence to conceal abuse that was revealed in the confessional.
"Most of the people in the street, people that would be standing around talking about these issues, they believe the rights of children, the protection of children, should be sacrosanct," Mr Walsh said.
"It is simple from a legislative point of view, it obviously changes hundreds of years of precedent, but if you go back to first principles that it is about the safety of children it's a no brainer, it just needs to be done."
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Priests cannot be forced to break the confessional seal. They can be put in jail of fined or otherwise inconvenienced but torture is out in the Aussie system.
But not a minute before.
We see the general perfidy of the clergy in another matter. If push came to shove, I’m no longer sure a majority of clerics wouldn’t cave.
If they want to go to Hell.
All Confession are sealed and cannot be revealed.
All professions have an obligation of confidentiality. Are lawyers exempt too?
Where in the bible does it state that man must confess to a middleman and that this “confession” is sacrosanct? Confession is nothing more than something made up by man and is not enshrined in law as the attorney-client privilege is. Time to end this farce and make priests reporters of crimes, just as other professionals are required to do.
How are the police going to know anything about the confession unless the penitent tells someone else?
This is an unenforceable law unless the police and prosecutors can make up facts.
I doubt any priest would comply with this law as his vow to God is stronger than state law.
Perhaps it will make the Catholic faith stronger as the early Christians endured persecution and death from government.
Don’t think so.
You didn’t read or understand the Bible.
Christ delegated the forgiveness of sins to the Apostles and their successors. The Sacrament of Reconciliation.
So Martin Luther was a heretic and made up his own man-made religion.
The basics of the sacrament always have been in existence, as the following quotations reveal. Of special significance is their recognition that confession and absolution must be received by a sinner before he can receive Holy Communion, for “[w]hoever . . . eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord” (1 Cor. 11:27).
The Didache
“Confess your sins in church, and do not go up to your prayer with an evil conscience. This is the way of life. . . . On the Lord’s Day gather together, break bread, and give thanks, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure” (Didache 4:14, 14:1 [A.D. 70]).
May you find the Truth.
Christ delegated the forgiveness of sins to the Apostles and their successors. The Sacrament of Reconciliation.
Care to quote the exact passage? I have my KJII bible standing by.
The means by which God forgives sins after baptism is confession: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). Minor or venial sins can be confessed directly to God, but for grave or mortal sins, which crush the spiritual life out of the soul, God has instituted a different means for obtaining forgiveness—the sacrament known popularly as confession, penance, or reconciliation.
This sacrament is rooted in the mission God gave to Christ in his capacity as the Son of man on earth to go and forgive sins (cf. Matt. 9:6). Thus, the crowds who witnessed this new power “glorified God, who had given such authority to men” (Matt. 9:8; note the plural “men”). After his resurrection, Jesus passed on his mission to forgive sins to his ministers, telling them, “As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. . . . Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:21–23).
Since it is not possible to confess all of our many daily faults, we know that sacramental reconciliation is required only for grave or mortal sins—but it is required, or Christ would not have commanded it.
21* [Jesus] said to them again,l “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” 22* And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them,m “Receive the holy Spirit. 23* n Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” John 20
Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood* has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20* m Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah.
Matthew 16
Hope this helps.
“All Confession are sealed and cannot be revealed.”
And yet God forgot to include that in Scripture...
“Christ delegated the forgiveness of sins to the Apostles and their successors. The Sacrament of Reconciliation.
He did not.
“Minor or venial sins can be confessed directly to God, but for grave or mortal sins, which crush the spiritual life out of the soul, God has instituted a different means for obtaining forgiveness—the sacrament known popularly as confession, penance, or reconciliation.”
A distinction not in Scripture. Confess directly to God. He alone forgives sin.
Then read and understand the Bible, so you don’t sound so uninformed and make false statements.
I read the Bible and know what you asserted is false.
Deja vu.
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