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Is lying always wrong?
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| 08-08-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 08/18/2018 10:09:46 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
A question = no answer.
(What’s the questioner to think??)
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:32:37 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Campion
I think you missed the joke!
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:33:48 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Telepathic Intruder
David to Goliath: INCOMING!!
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:34:35 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Tax-chick
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:35:34 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Sontagged
I am not yet going up to this feast,
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:38:04 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Tax-chick
Can you show a Bible verse that says anyone other than Jesus is a child of Mary?It's as easy as showing that Mary was sinless from the bible.
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:39:43 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Tax-chick
Can you show a Bible verse that says anyone other than Jesus is a child of Mary? Can you show a Bible verse that has the phrase: Mother of GOD
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:41:19 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
I don't find any Greek vulgarities in his writings
Just great wishes: Galatians 5:12
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:42:46 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
I bid you a good night as well.
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:43:36 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(They said what's up is down, they said what isn't is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his)
To: ealgeone
4and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
DAMN!
I am DOOMED!!
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:44:29 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
Ah...
A thread I can really start to sink my teeth into!
—Deconica coprophila(but so few calories)
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:48:57 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
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posted on
08/19/2018 3:53:08 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
To: Elsie
Perhaps Jesus DID change is mind. But - being all knowing, wouldn't he have known He would change His mind. I saw a note in one of the versions where it said that some manuscripts have something extra in it: I am not going to the festival [YET], for my time has not yet come...
So then Jesus wouldn't even had to have changed His mind. But - He does go to the Festival in “secret”. Isn't that sort of a lie?
While this all makes for an interesting discussion, I'm glad that the main thing is, Jesus died for ALL of my sins. From the terrible ways I treated my parents as a youth (and that they lived long enough that I could ask for forgiveness)to the sometimes deceitful acts of my adult life. I'm still growing.
And it is interesting how my behavior SHOULD be solid as a rock, but it is so often influenced by the other party. Get undercharged at a small cafe with nice help and I'll point it out. “Oh - we had two coffees, you only charged for one.”
But then “Hey honey - the cable company forgot to charge us for that extra cable box! Lucky us.” (Bad example though. The cable company would never forget something like that. And if I mentioned it to my wife, she would be on the phone to correct their error!)
To: ealgeone
I’m not sure what you mean by “that exception.”
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posted on
08/19/2018 4:55:29 PM PDT
by
rwa265
To: ealgeone
Please ignore 215. I didn’t see this post. I will look at it.
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posted on
08/19/2018 4:57:39 PM PDT
by
rwa265
To: HarleyD
There is nothing in the scriptures that states that it's OK to lie in certain circumstances.
Actually, there was nothing in Scripture that stated it was unconditionally wrong and never OK to work on the Sabbath until the Lord taught it could be done in order to save lives, as it was in keeping with the intent of the law . And there is nothing in the scriptures that states that it's unconditionally wrong and never OK to lie in certain circumstances, and instead it shows noble souls lying to evil men in order to save lives, and implicitly sanctions it, as God is shown only rewarding the midwives, Elisha, Rahab, Jael who lied to save souls, and nowhere reproved them.
Why something is wrong to lie must be considered, and thus God can do what would be evil for man to do, without actually violating His law, because He alone can make it work out for the good of those who love Him.
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posted on
08/19/2018 5:07:28 PM PDT
by
daniel1212
(Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
To: rwa265
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I’m not denying that Christ was God. Christ was fully God and fully Man. To ignore the “fully Man” part is to simmply not understand the miracle of the incarnation and all that it represents. You’re the one who seems to be ignoring Christ as the “Son of Man”. What exactly do you think it means that “Christ emptied Himself”?
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posted on
08/19/2018 5:49:30 PM PDT
by
HarleyD
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Context. Not much to misinterpret.
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posted on
08/19/2018 5:50:40 PM PDT
by
HarleyD
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