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To: JAKraig
How in the world that Catholicism gets celibacy out of that is beyond me.

    It comes from believing Jesus about:
  1. Marriage
  2. Divorce
  3. Celibacy
And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan; And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there. The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Matthew, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses one to twelve,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

49 posted on 08/21/2018 6:35:52 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

AM by af_vet_1981

By the way I’m a Navy “SS” vetran from 1968.

I’m sorry but to me your explanation of eunuchs is just wrong. It might be what someone preaches but it way off the mark.

A eunuch is someone who has no sex, as in they are neither man nor woman. Jesus talks about them in a variety of circumstances but none of them apply to celibacy as practiced by the Roman Catholic Priesthood. In order for these words of Christ that you quoted to apply the priest would have to cut off his gonads. In the time of Christ there were people who did that in a variety of religions and in a variety of classes of servitude. Men would become eunuchs at the command of their owners and then be stationed with the women of the house to be protectors or guards of them. There was no concern that they would have sex with them because it was impossible.

So again, unless the priests are making eunuchs of themselves they are not doing anything even remotely associated with what you quoted The Lord as saying.

Just to further drive home the point, celibacy was not practiced as a rule until the middle of the 12th century (1139 to be exact). That rule was not strictly enforced until a few hundred years later in the middle of the 16th century at the council of Trent. The Roman Church by the way is the only Catholic Church to practice celibacy. All of the other 7 Catholic churches allow Priests to marry. None of the other Catholic churches have a problem with homosexuality in the priesthood. Pope Francis had a study to find out how bad homosexuality was in The Church. The report came back and said that at least 18% of priests were “practicing” homosexuals and that that percentage could be as high as 58%. I do not think this is what Christ was talking about when He was talking about eunuchs.

The commandment to Adam and Eve was to have children, that commandment has never been revoked. Perhaps the Apostle Paul had a problem and had a good reason for not marrying but the other Apostles were married and had families. Celibacy promotes evil, in that it makes men unnatural, I have seen it ruin lives. Paul says that men “burn” and that they should marry in that case, it is not good to burn. Men in the Catholic priesthood burn too and since they live with other men they quench the fire in an evil way. I hope celibacy is done away with soon. I think it is the only way the Roman Church can be saved.


50 posted on 08/21/2018 7:59:25 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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