[ealgeone]

While your efforts are understandable....it really doesn't matter if 100,000,000 Roman Catholic women sign.

Can. 1404 The First See is judged by no one.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P5A.HTM

[BlessedBeGod]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

[Campion]

That canon means there is no court-of-appeal beyond a Papal decision, not that nobody is allowed to have or express an opinion.

You're out of your league when you start trying to tell Catholics what their own church law means.

[Mrs. Don-o]

So nice to have a-non-Catholic here who is also a canon law expert.

But you are wrong. You are failing to distinguish between advising, admonishing, and "judging."

There is no provision in canon law for a valid pope to be judged by a canonical trial. However, there are other powers and indeed duties which we have with regard to correcting papal errors:

• anyone, yes the laity, but esp. bishops and cardinals, can advise or admonish a pope
• a pope can judge another pope: this could arguably be done by Pope Emeritus Benedict; or after Pope Francis dies, he could be judged posthumously by his successor
• the best option, in my opinion, would be a finding that Pope Francis was not validly elected pope, and therefore be can be both tried, judged, and deposed.
  • Advising and admonishing of a pope has happened many times historically, including by lawmen and laywomen.

  • a deceased pope being judged posthumously by his successors, has also happened historically

  • There were about 37 antipopes (claimants who were not legitimate popes) before the 15th century, and every one of them was deposed by Cardinals who determined that they were never validly elected.

If something has happened many time historically, it is absurd for you to say it is impossible.

So that's why my advice to you is, as always: in matters Catholic, ASK us, do not TELL us, what we can and cannot do.

You so often make puerile pronunciamentos as if you knew a lot about the matter at hand, when, so frequently, you demonstrate that you do not.

[Mrs. Don-o]

It's so nice to have a canon law expert here amongst our helpful non-Catholic brothers and sisters.

You are failing to see the difference between "advising," "admonishing" or "correcting" vs. "judging."

There is no place for a canonical trial, and hence a judging of the pope, except by another pope. Arguably, Pope Emeritus Benedict could preside over such a trial. Or possibly Pope Francis could die, and then be tried and judged posthumously by his successor.

This has happened historically.

However, there is nothing on God's good earth to prevent both the laity and the clergy advising, admonishing and correcting the pope, as happened repeatedly in Scripture. This is our right, as well as sometimes our duty, under Canon 212.

This has happened historically.

That's why my advice to you in all matters Catholic

...again, is to ASK us what we can and can't do, rather than TELL us what we can and can't do. You would save yourself frequent awkward moments.

Another possibility, and to my mind the best one, would be a determination that Señor Bergoglio is not the valid pope, and therefore is to be judged as well as deposed.

This has also happened historically.

There were at least 37 deposed in this way from 217 AD to 1439 AD.

I wrote up some reasons why Pope Francis' attempted accession to the papacy may have been invalid.

Ask your fave Canon Lawyer. If you a want two opinions, ask two!