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1 posted on 09/11/2018 1:18:32 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper
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To: winoneforthegipper
Satan is the false accuser. When he accused Job before God, his accusations were false, so Job was able to overcome his trials.
26 posted on 09/11/2018 1:41:20 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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imho, and given that he’s a bishop himself....
yes he could be correct...
in his case, Satanic possession? or?


29 posted on 09/11/2018 1:48:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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Ya know... Francis has been wrong about a lot of things, but he sounds right about this one...

I believe Christendom as a whole (all the segments including Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) have been lackadaisical for a long time about praying. Why? “You do not receive because you do not ask.” Pray for God to bless the bishops. Yes, even if you don’t agree with what they are doing. Because the blessing may set them right.


30 posted on 09/11/2018 1:49:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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I think that attack by Satan was successfully wrapped up a long time ago. St. Peter’s Basilica is a giant pregnant serpent wearing a crown. Aerial view.

https://www.vaticantour.com/images/Tickets_Collection.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/aa/c8/a7aac8bd722051c677c6368a1599fa12.jpg


31 posted on 09/11/2018 1:49:45 PM PDT by Prince Caspian
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To: winoneforthegipper

The Great Holy Father of the Rump Riders speaks again. If anybody is speaking for Satan, he’s it.


35 posted on 09/11/2018 1:54:35 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: winoneforthegipper

Wow....sounds like the Democrat Party...............


36 posted on 09/11/2018 1:57:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: winoneforthegipper

So Bishops falling to protect their parishioners from predatory clergy has nothing to do with it, eh?


38 posted on 09/11/2018 1:58:42 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: winoneforthegipper

The devil made me do it! - PF

(Well, perhaps you should not have sought his trappings of power over others and pleasure at other’s expense. Perhaps you should not have broken your vows to God before all the members of The Church.)


42 posted on 09/11/2018 2:08:47 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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“Paging Pee-Wee Herman: Your excuse is ready.”


44 posted on 09/11/2018 2:12:11 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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I’m waiting for three words: Penance, Reparation, and Laicization.


45 posted on 09/11/2018 2:16:43 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: winoneforthegipper

They need to fight it with the Truth, including Pope Bishop Francis.


56 posted on 09/11/2018 2:35:40 PM PDT by ADSUM
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Time to leave the Catholic Church and join a real Christian Church.

It is apparent that many priests and bishops are a bunch of guys who like to dress up in fancy robes, jewelry and tiaras - taking money from the poor to finance their selfish lifestyles.

To abuse the innocent children of their congregants is the greatest sin.

Jesus is weeping.


60 posted on 09/11/2018 2:53:30 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Church Lady response.


62 posted on 09/11/2018 2:59:13 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: winoneforthegipper; Mrs. Don-o
From the text of his homily from a more reliable source than the National Schismatic Reporter:
In these times, it seems like the Great Accuser has been unchained and is attacking bishops. True, we are all sinners, we bishops. He tries to uncover the sins, so they are visible in order to scandalize the people.

Let us take a look at his accusation that He tries to uncover the sins, so they are visible in order to scandalize the people.

From Father Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary:

SCANDAL. Any action or its omission, not necessarily sinful in itself, that is likely to induce another to do something morally wrong. Direct scandal, also called diabolical, has the deliberate intention to induce another to sin. In indirect scandal a person does something that he or she foresees will at least likely lead another to commit sin, but this is rather tolerated than positively desired. (Etym. Latin scandalum, stumbling block.)

Then let us examine the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Respect for the souls of others: scandal

2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. the person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor's tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."85 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep's clothing.86

2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to "social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible."87 This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger,88 or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. "Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!"89

Finally, let us look at the Code of Canon Law:

Can. 277 §1. Clerics are obliged to observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and therefore are bound to celibacy which is a special gift of God by which sacred ministers can adhere more easily to Christ with an undivided heart and are able to dedicate themselves more freely to the service of God and humanity.

§2. Clerics are to behave with due prudence towards persons whose company can endanger their obligation to observe continence or give rise to scandal among the faithful.

I wanted to give the above as a little background to establish what "scandalize" actually means.

My response is that it is patently obvious that bringing these behaviors into the public is not what is scandalizing the people. The behaviors themselves have scandalized us. The cover-up scandalizes us. Many of us have known about this in the past (I, an ordinary layman, have heard the stories about McCarrick ever since he was Archbishop as an example).

Attacking the person who exposes this filth is EXACTLY the wrong thing to do. Making theologically unsound statements in order to attack the messenger is EXACTLY the wrong thing to do. Getting to the bottom of this...exposing the wrongdoers and getting rid of them...those are the right things to do. But it's obvious that this is not what is going to happen.

Thus:

And the pasch of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And he found in the temple them that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting. And when he had made, as it were, a scourge of little cords, he drove them all out of the temple, the sheep also and the oxen, and the money of the changers he poured out, and the tables he overthrew. And to them that sold doves he said: Take these things hence, and make not the house of my Father a house of traffic. And his disciples remembered, that it was written: The zeal of thy house hath eaten me up. The Jews, therefore, answered, and said to him: What sign dost thou shew unto us, seeing thou dost these things? Jesus answered, and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. [Jn 2:13-19]

Let the tables be knocked over.

63 posted on 09/11/2018 3:05:57 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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The great accuser "seeks to reveal sins, which people can see, in order to scandalize the people" of God, he said in his homily during morning Mass at Domus Sanctae Marthae.

Well, it's not as if they didn't give him plenty of ammunition!

65 posted on 09/11/2018 3:15:11 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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God doesn’t ever want to know that they have defiled His image by breaking the Commandments by deceit, homosexuality and rape of His children. But God knows and the only peter they will ever ain’t a saint.


67 posted on 09/11/2018 3:32:58 PM PDT by Jumper
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God doesn’t ever want to know that they have defiled His image by breaking the Commandments by deceit, homosexuality and rape of His children. But God knows and the only peter they will ever get ain’t a saint.


69 posted on 09/11/2018 3:34:05 PM PDT by Jumper
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The Devil made them do it? Sounds kind of familiar, and extremely lame.


76 posted on 09/11/2018 4:24:29 PM PDT by katana (We're all part of a long episode of "The Terrific Mr. Trump")
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I guess the church’s belief that clergy should be celibate wasn’t the best decision.


79 posted on 09/11/2018 4:36:20 PM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!)
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To: winoneforthegipper

“The Devil made us do it.” Pope Francis is so full of s**t that it is coming out his ears. This guy may get to stay in office but I predict in a year or two, the Vatican is going to be so short of funds Francis will have to start selling off treasures from the Vatican Museum.

All I know it that I will continue to attend my traditional Catholic parish and support it with my contributions but I will not give any funds to either the Vatican or my local Bishop who seems to spend the majority of his time in support of illegal immigrants.


86 posted on 09/11/2018 5:03:10 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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