[Wonder Warthog]

"Yes....Rome has to redefine what worship is to avoid the injunctions against worshipping the created to justify their worship of Mary."

I think the RC church has a better handle on the definition of "worship" than a bunch of late-comers.

"Sheer speculation on your part."

So if not Mary, who was the first Christian? She was there from the very start.

"Well, yes it is based on the what happened at the Cross when Jesus gave her to John....and only John. This is clear if you understand the Greek.

Except that neither Jesus nor John were speaking Greek. I'm not aware that the Aramaic used was recorded anywhere.

[ealgeone]

I've seen how Rome defines and then redefines things.

So if not Mary, who was the first Christian? She was there from the very start.

Interesting question. We don't know for sure. Hence, sheer speculation on your part.

>>Well, yes it is based on the what happened at the Cross when Jesus gave her to John....and only John. This is clear if you understand the Greek.<<

Except that neither Jesus nor John were speaking Greek. I'm not aware that the Aramaic used was recorded anywhere.

You presume they were speaking Aramaic.

However, what we do have is recorded in the Greek as determined by the Holy Spirit. The Greek does not support Rome's claim on this issue.