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1 posted on 09/27/2018 10:45:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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We do not know how God is going to work in the couple’s life beyond the wedding. That’s between them and God. Especially considering how many seemingly perfect Christian marriages tall apart.

And I am weirded out by Piper’s fixation on these matters. He always manages to strike an off chord with me.

John Piper is also a neverTrumper.


2 posted on 09/27/2018 10:49:48 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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Fall apart*


3 posted on 09/27/2018 10:50:19 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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Guess me and hubby iof 18 years should have just gone to Vegas instead of our wedding.


4 posted on 09/27/2018 10:50:33 AM PDT by Halls (I'm from Texas, Grace Addict, and pro life!)
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The very term sexual immorality as it's used in these verses makes it clear: Matthew 15:19; Hebrews 13:4; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Corinthians 5:11; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 7:1–2. All refer to fornication, or sexual relations before marriage," he said.

I am not supporting pre-marital sex, but this statement is incorrect. The Greek word is 'porneia' where the word 'pornography' comes from. It covers a range of sin, including fornication, but the far more common use was homosexuality and bestiality.

5 posted on 09/27/2018 10:51:04 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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Man does not dictate my relationship with God. I am a Christian. God gave me free will and I use it. My relationship with HIM is personal and I do not need nor will I allow someone else to dictate my behavior. The 10 Commandments has been part of my life as long as I can remember and they will guide me through the rest of my life.


8 posted on 09/27/2018 10:57:52 AM PDT by mia
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God loved David and he had hundreds of concubines...


9 posted on 09/27/2018 10:59:43 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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It’s people like this that make it hard to be a conservative.

How about we let GOD judge it in the end? I’d bet this guy has a store supply level of Vaseline in his bathroom.


12 posted on 09/27/2018 11:03:05 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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“Judgement is Pipers”

Said God, never.


13 posted on 09/27/2018 11:12:23 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Sessions. Trust the Plan.)
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Great way to bring families apart...


16 posted on 09/27/2018 11:16:55 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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So, the only forgiveness should come from Christ Himself, but not from fellow Christians? We are all sinners, it’s just a matter of which sins we commit.


19 posted on 09/27/2018 11:21:26 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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“A Bible-believing Christian couple that believes fornication is permissible should be “disciplined” said Piper.”

Sounds like he thinks they need a spanking. Weirdo...


20 posted on 09/27/2018 11:22:33 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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You don’t look behind the door unless you’ve hid there yourself once.

Just sayin’


21 posted on 09/27/2018 11:23:22 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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"I wrote unto you in my epistle to have no company with fornicators; not at all meaning with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world: but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat. 12 For what have I to do with judging them that are without? Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Put away the wicked man from among yourselves." I Cor. 5:9-13

It should be noted that Paul doesn't limit excommunication to just fornicators. Included in his list are: the covetous, idolaters, revilers, drunkards and extortioners. I wonder how many in our churches, including pastors, are covetous people and according to Paul, deserving of excommunication?

So there's no misunderstanding, I agree with Paul. The 21st century church is divided in many ways, so there's no consistency in doctrine, which included how to discipline believers. Is it the role of the Pastor to be the grand inquisitor of the flock? I don't think so. I believe the preacher preaches as he is led of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit convicts the hearer and the hearer chooses to believe or reject the Word. Now, if a Believer is openly practicing sin he should be referred to the Pastor or apply Matthew 18:16 .

22 posted on 09/27/2018 11:23:37 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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This is in regards to Christians who do not repent. Piper is right. If this couple doesn’t understand the importance of their testimony to a fallen world, they most likely are not Christians and their marriage ceremony is nothing more than a sham. One also has to wonder why this Christian who asked this question even be associating with this couple who are living outside marriage.

This is why the world sees no difference in Christians today because Christians are more frequently adopting the world’s standard.


24 posted on 09/27/2018 11:27:23 AM PDT by HarleyD
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Technically when you start having sex you are married according to certain Christian beliefs. The wedding is just a party to declare to the world that you are married.

There are pastors who will not preform weddings for people who are already leaving together there are other pastors that will because they are moving from sin into holiness.

I do not find this author's argument persuasive.

25 posted on 09/27/2018 11:28:38 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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Our church won’t marry people if they are living together, so it is a non-issue for us.


27 posted on 09/27/2018 11:35:42 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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are we to rely on mind-reading, speculation, or direct questioning of the couple?


30 posted on 09/27/2018 11:41:57 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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Yea, Jesus prob shouldn’t have gone to that party and turned water into wine, either. Too many sinners in attendance, I’m sure. (BIG EYE ROLL)


31 posted on 09/27/2018 11:42:43 AM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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I decided long ago that I won’t attend second weddings in many cases. Amazingly few of my friends have gotten divorced so it’s not an issue.

I can only think of one of my friends who have divorced.

My parents got divorced and remarried. Both had no guests including us kids.

In my dad’s case, he was living in Florida and was a really private person.

For my mom, his kids and her kids didn’t have one weekend all summer where we were all free. In our case, our events were ones that we couldn’t change. I’ve actually never even met some of his kids but they’ve only been married fifteen years of so.


32 posted on 09/27/2018 11:43:22 AM PDT by cyclotic ( Democrats must be politically eviscerated, disemboweled and demolished.)
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Is he suggesting that we should ask our friends to tell us - CONVINCINGLY - their relationship with God and their feelings towards f@(king before we can accept a wedding invite?

Sorry, but I have a hard enough time trying to pick the beef, chicken or fish entree on my invite - picking Godly winners and losers is going a bit too far!


36 posted on 09/27/2018 11:53:25 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated!)
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