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To: NorthMountain
Every sister, brother, priest, bishop, cardinal in the first generation of implementing the "Spirit of Vatican II" was raised, educated, and ordained (or took vows) in "Traditional Catholicism".

Name me every sister, brother, priest, bishop and cardinal of that time who protested or rejected the VC II novelites. Name every priest and sister during that time who left their vocations, or even their faith, during that time and I'll gladly continue the "discussion".

You may want to give VCII a pass; but I will never do so.

20 posted on 10/09/2018 8:08:32 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; TradicalRC
I think you recognize the truth of my statement. I thinbk you know that the list I asked for is the Empty Set.

And YES. TRC, the Church was assaulted and infiltrated by various malefactors. That doesn't mean all, or even most, of the enemies were foreign.

And simply being "Traditional Catholicism" DID NOT prevent the enemies foreign and domestic from doing their damage. As stated, EVERYONE at Vatican II was a product of "Traditional Catholicism". EVERYONE who initially implemented the "Spirit of Vaticn II" was a product of "Traditional Catholicism".

The "Oath Against Modernism" didn't stop them The 1960 (and earlier) prohibitions against sodomites in seminaries didn't stop them. Rerum Novarum didn't stop them.

Thus my point: Simply returning to "Traditional Catholicism" will NOT solve our problems. Our problems (and those who caused them) did just fine swimming along in the sea of "Traditional Catholicism".

The Church must make a specific, focused, concentrated, public effort to identify and eliminate the various malefactors from positions of authority. The Church must make a specific, focused, concentrated, public effort to identify postulants and seminarians who are malefactors, and reject them. The Church must do these things EFFECTIVELY, not just as a show or a set of meaningless unenforced documents.

These efforts were clearly NOT part of "Traditional Catholicism". They should have been. They must be part of Catholicism in the future.

23 posted on 10/10/2018 4:44:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

Vatican II was loaded to the gills with Protestant theologians.


24 posted on 10/10/2018 5:47:42 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness”)
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To: ebb tide

“Vatican II was loaded to the gills with Protestant theologians.”

EDIT: Vatican II was was loaded to the gills with Protestant “advisors.”


25 posted on 10/10/2018 5:56:00 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness”)
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