Australian Bishop Touts Women’s Ordination: ‘Transformation of Priesthood’ is Underway

LifeSite News ^ | 10/23/18 | Dorothy Cummings McLean

[marshmallow]

CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand, October 23, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – An Australian bishop recently told priests that admitting women to the priesthood in the Church's current state of affairs would be like pouring new wine into old wine skins, but that a "transformation of the priesthood" was underway.

Vincent Long Van Nguyen, Bishop of the Parramatta Diocese of Sydney, Australia gave an address in September to the New Zealand National Assembly of Diocesan Clergy about the current crises rocking the Church. Blaming the clerical abuse crisis on a faulty conception of the priesthood, Long mentioned women’s ordination as a possibility – but only after even more sweeping changes.

“... As important as it is to consider the question of women ordained ministry in the Church, it is far worse to persist with structures that fail to convey the message of the Gospel to the deep yearnings of the men and women of today,” he told his audience.

“Adding women into the mix in terms of admitting them to ordination might be likened to pouring new wine into old wine skins. For the Church to flourish, it is more crucial that we come to terms with the flaws of clericalism within the very structure of the Church and move beyond its patriarchal matrix,” Long continued.

The Bishop praised Pope Francis for unleashing a "new energy" and pouring a "new wine" upon the Church.

[notaliberal]

NO!

[vladimir998]

Pope Francis reaffirms John Paul II’s ban on women priests: https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/pope-francis-reaffirms-john-paul-iis-ban-women-priests

[pax_et_bonum]

Their real goal.

[manc]

oh what a great plan. I mean those women who have been allowed in various denominations have proven so good to the word of God. NOT

[Ransomed]

Yeah, can’t think of any religious group that grew or gained members after they decided to admit women clergy.

Freegards

[CdMGuy]

Vincent Long Van Nguyen, Bishop of the Parramatta Diocese of Sydney and a distant relative of Ho Chi Minh. Also a close associate of Jorge Bergolio, a distant relative of Juan Peron.

[Salvation]

It won’t happen.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

#walkawayrome

[ebb tide]

Womyn priests ping

[Bigg Red]

Exactly.

[madprof98]

This guy is a lunatic . . . and a GAY lunatic at that. If Francis weren’t pope, he’d be doing penance in a monastery.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Actually, it won't happen because it can't happen. It has an obstacle that can't be overcome, and that is: impossibility.

A man -- a male human being --- is the "matter" of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. You cannot (not "may not," but "cannot") ordain a woman any more than you could transubstantiate a coconut cream pie. It's not the "matter" for the Sacrament.

[Salvavida]

Huh?

Why don't we keep it simple and state it is against the Word of God?

[NorthMountain]

Yes, it’s against the Word of God. That’s the theological objection, and it’s enough for most sane people.

There’s also a practical objection: The wymynz who clamor most loudly for wymynz ordination are manifestly unfit for ministry. They view the priesthood from the perspective of power, not of service.

Of course, that’s against the Word of God, too:

Matthew 20:
25 But Jesus called them to him, and said: You know that the princes of the Gentiles lord it over them; and they that are the greater, exercise power upon them. 26 It shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be the greater among you, let him be your minister: 27 And he that will be first among you, shall be your servant. 28 Even as the Son of man is not come to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a redemption for many.

[Campion]

That's actually not "keeping it simple". People will respond, as they have and do in liberal Protestant denominations:

• Paul was just a man of his times; he's telling you about the law he imposed, not the law God imposed
• The Holy Spirit is "doing new things" in a "new church" anyway, so the old rules don't make sense anymore
• Besides, it's a matter of justice, and God would want us to be just, wouldn't he?

The "simple" way out is exactly what Mrs. Don-o said: Only a male is a valid recipient for the sacrament of Holy Orders. To say otherwise is material heresy. There's no wiggle room, no doubt, and no ambiguity there.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you. Viva Apostolic Tradition and the Authentic Magisterium.

But as "Father" Tom Rosica says, His Humbleness the Francis has no "disordered attachment" to Scripture and Tradition.

So we shall see.

[Salvavida]

Way too complicated. When people respond sinfully, we respond with God's Word. I can summarize the whole issue in two paragraphs, including the remedy.; something Francis has shown no ability to do:

Ordaining women as pastors/bishops/elders is rejecting God'd Word as the qualifications are given in 1 Tim 3:2, 5 and Titus 1: 5-6; nor could they be ordained practically because they cannot hold spiritual authority over a man in the church per 1 Tim 2:11-12.

The solution is found in Matt 18:15-17. If they want to start their own religion, let them have at it.