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Tell me, GW, did you ever have women teachers in grade school, high school, college? Did your Mom ever teach you anything? Were you okay with THAT kind of teaching? I think it is obvious what Paul is teaching here. He is talking about church government as well as the hierarchical structure of the family.

Plagiarize much? I was the one who brought in the additional Pauline writings.

The man is supposed to be the head of the home, the protector, the provider, the guardian, the teacher, the leader. What happens to a family when men shirk that responsibility as so often happens in our day. Can women take up that job and ensure children are STILL taught? Your selective "discrimination" is not missed.

Scripture EXPLICITLY says that women should obey, EVEN IF their husbands do not obey the word. But a great deal of our modern pathologies, are due to women succumbing to tingles and getting pregnant out of wedlock, then being falsely lauded as "heroic" single mothers. Their sons don't learn how to be men, having no role model in the home. Or women getting pumped and dumped, and then taking out their fury at such, on all the men they meet *after* the breakup....while secretly longing for their bad boy, whom they just *know*, could have been healed by the Love of a Good Woman(TM) ...like her!

Women have every right to be heard, to have opinions, to communicate their views, to defend their beliefs, to VOTE. I think you probably would have no problem with women's thoughts on internet forums as long as they agree with you, right? When they don't, is that when you stand behind St. Paul's robes??? ***Newsflash***...you aren't my husband, you aren't my pastor, this isn't church.

Our country's downfall has been accelerated by women voting with their fweelings, like the 20-something girl interviewed about the Texas Senate race: "I voted for Beto O'Rourke, he's so *cute*!"

Newsflash. I never thought this was church. It's an internet forum. Dispute and hashing out ideas is not what St. Paul was talking about.

But, this being the internet, if you're going to be a loudmouth prick, just like the guys, then you're going to to be mocked, just like the guys. Enjoy it.

Not interested in your backhanded proposal, btw. I'm taken.

My, my GW, how you DO carry on! I asked a simple question that seems to have touched off a virulent reaction towards ALL women. I guess you have had women teachers in your life. Isn't obvious enough that the context of Paul's teaching was concerning the pastoral office and this not being a calling women should have? I agreed with that several times here.

Do you know that Mrs.Don-o is an RCIA teacher in her church? I would think that there are men as well as women in those classes. Is she doing wrong in teaching them?

What about the women who have been identified as doctors of the Catholic church (Teresa of Ávila, Catherine of Siena, Thérèse of Lisieux, and Hildegard of Bingen)? Were they wrong to teach and write on theology? Should Catholic men ignore them since you should not suffer them to teach you anything?