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1 posted on 12/08/2018 7:17:28 AM PST by NYer
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Have you ever heard of this? I thought you might find it very interesting.


2 posted on 12/08/2018 7:38:17 AM PST by Pride in the USA (Q)
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The site you reference in the article rejects the miraculous transference of the structure.

It must be acknowledged, however, that recent historical criticism has shown that in other directions the Lauretan tradition is beset with difficulties of the gravest kind. These have been skilfully presented in the much-discussed work of Canon Chevalier, "Notre Dame de Lorette" (Paris, 1906). It is possible that the author has in some directions pressed his evidence too far and has perhaps overstated his case, but despite the efforts of such writers as Eschbach, Faloci-Pulignani, Thomas, and Kresser, the substance of his argument remains intact and has as yet found no adequate reply. The general contention of the work may be summarized under five heads: (1) From the accounts left by pilgrims and others it appears that before the time of the first translation (1291) there was no little cottage venerated at Nazareth which could correspond in any satisfactory way with the present Santa Casa at Loreto. So far as there was question at all in Nazareth of the abode in which the Blessed Virgin had lived, what was pointed out to pilgrims was a sort of natural cavern in the rock. (2) Oriental chronicles and similar accounts of pilgrims are absolutely silent as to any change which took place in 1291. There is no word of the disappearance at Nazareth of a shrine formerly held in veneration there. It is not until the sixteenth century that we find among Orientals any hint of a consciousness of their loss and then the idea was suggested from the West. (3) There are charters and other contemporary documents which prove that a church dedicated to the Blessed Virgin already existed at Loreto in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, that is to say, before the epoch of the supposed translation. (4) When we eliminate certain documents commonly appealed to as early testimonies to the tradition, but demonstrably spurious, we find that no writer can be shown to have heard of the miraculous translation of the Holy House before 1472, i.e., 180 years after the event is supposed to have taken place. The shrine and church of Loreto are indeed often mentioned; the church is said by Paul II in 1464 to have been miraculously founded, and it is further implied that the statue or image of the Blessed Virgin was brought there by angels, but all this differs widely from details of the later accounts. (5) If the papal confirmations of the Loreto tradition are more closely scrutinized it will be perceived that not only are they relatively late (the first Bull mentioning the translation is that of Julius II in 1507), but that they are at first very guarded in expression, for Julius introduces the clause "ut pie creditur et fama est", while they are obviously dependent upon the extravagant leaflet compiled about 1472 by Teramano.

There is considerably more at the link. An alternate hypothesis is given that pilgrims brought a much venerated image or statue of Mary, which was associated with miracles, and placed it in an existing crude chapel. The association with miracles was then transferred to the chapel, over time.

3 posted on 12/08/2018 7:39:05 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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My cousin lives in Loreto and gives tours. It’s really impressive. The shrine has parallel groves worn into the marble where pilgrims have slid on their knees over the centuries.


4 posted on 12/08/2018 7:39:45 AM PST by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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Mary’s house needed to be saved from defilement by the Muslims.


5 posted on 12/08/2018 7:41:18 AM PST by detective
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Hail Mary


6 posted on 12/08/2018 7:43:26 AM PST by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustin, and I have never heard Booc)
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Pretty nice house for someone who couldn't afford a room at the inn.


7 posted on 12/08/2018 7:45:41 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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Just more of the Roman Catholic idolatry of who they call Mary.
9 posted on 12/08/2018 7:50:59 AM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
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Yeah, cause everyone knows where Mary was born and knows that she grew up in a house that looked like that.

Some people will believe anything.


11 posted on 12/08/2018 8:00:36 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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If the building moved in 1291 to Croatia, then how/when did it get to Loreto, Italy?


14 posted on 12/08/2018 8:11:03 AM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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Psssss.....I got some real nails and wood from the real cross.....just PM mail me and I will tell you where to send the $1000

....Keep this on the downlow....

....and If you know anymore gullable ‘religious’ people...pass this along!!

..

News Flash.

Christianity is Not abut ‘things’...places....people or bones

...its ONLY about JESUS CHRIST....and his death on the cross for you and I.

That is IT!!

amazing.


17 posted on 12/08/2018 8:18:43 AM PST by RevelationDavid (Jesus First, no matter the cost.)
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NYer--- hey, long time no see! Where have you been?

And --- what about Walsingham in England, hey?

18 posted on 12/08/2018 8:19:08 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("When in Rome, do as you done in Milledgeville." - Flannery O'Connor)
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Science has not confirmed that the building ‘flew’ anywhere.

It’s a nice story though.


44 posted on 12/08/2018 8:54:20 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Yes, it's a Cold Civil War with Socialists. They don't have the stomach for a hot one.)
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Good to see you. Great article.


56 posted on 12/08/2018 9:24:11 AM PST by sitetest (No longer mostly dead.)
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Numerous contemporary examples of “Angelic Transport” exist.

For instance, just the other day a caravan of faithful peaceful people were transported thousands of miles in just a few days from Guatemala to Tijuana in hopes being resettled in America by Faithful Catholics.

Rumor has it, and it has never been found by experts to be untrue, that “Angelic Transport” also provides checks into the mailboxes of these same peaceful and faithful people with which they can pursue their Godly paths.


60 posted on 12/08/2018 9:52:01 AM PST by RFEngineer
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bookmark


64 posted on 12/08/2018 10:04:59 AM PST by GOP Poet
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Interesting


74 posted on 12/08/2018 10:43:54 AM PST by rwa265
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It’s because of stuff like this that I’m a Protestant.


77 posted on 12/08/2018 10:50:42 AM PST by kaehurowing
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Beautiful post. Thanks.


89 posted on 12/08/2018 11:10:07 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Hi.

Learn about something new every day on FR.

You would think that after it moved the first time, somebody should have surveyed it, strap it down, painted a picture, etc., before it kept moving again.

5.56mm


92 posted on 12/08/2018 11:14:24 AM PST by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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Ping


93 posted on 12/08/2018 11:15:19 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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