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To: Alberta's Child

Sorry, but I grew up in a fundamentally flawed marriage/family that suffered horribly for years until my very ethical and religious father finally realized that divorce would be better for us children, rather than trying to keep it together. I was already gone by that time but my (late) younger brother was massively scarred and paid for it his entire life. My father actually contemplated the possibility that she was possessed. It sure as hell seemed like it at the time.

My older brother and I have plenty of scars, but we were able to get away before it ruined our lives. His wife sadly passed away recently after 50 years of marriage. My wife & I will have our 42nd anniversary this June. There has been NO infidelity in either of our marriages.

The abuses inflicted upon us by our mentally ill, alcoholic mother were a crime, not the divorce. Unless you have lived it, you have no right to judge it. NO ONE can ever tell me that ending that nightmare was wrong. I forgave my mother before she died in the hope that she would die in peace, but I can never forget.


6 posted on 01/19/2019 12:12:58 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s; Pelham; Yaelle; Black Agnes

The mental illness of my ex wife has damaged to some degree all her children

To this day her demonic behavior causes pain and mayhem for all

It’s a sickness

Makes one understand why Rochester kept Bertha Antionetta locked in the attic

Sadly that was not an option for me although husband number five...I was number two....tried to kill her and was caught in a one in a billion happenstance


7 posted on 01/19/2019 12:18:57 PM PST by wardaddy (I don’t care that you’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it won’t matter what yo)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Unless you have lived it, you have no right to judge it.

Bullshit. That is a tactic to shut down debate.


18 posted on 01/19/2019 12:57:56 PM PST by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Did your younger brother or you and your older brother ever seek out Al-Anon or any of the connected programs?

It sounds as though that was not a choice for you diseased mother.

In my case, as my husband downed a 6 pack of beer every night, I took the advantage of attending Al-Anon and took my kids to Ala-teen.


20 posted on 01/19/2019 1:05:45 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
In cases like that, it's entirely possible that a legal separation of two spouses is absolutely necessary for all involved.

That's NOT what Msgr. Pope is talking about here. It's the remarriage that's the problem, not the "separation."

21 posted on 01/19/2019 1:06:18 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The abuses inflicted upon us by our mentally ill, alcoholic mother were a crime, not the divorce. Unless you have lived it, you have no right to judge it. NO ONE can ever tell me that ending that nightmare was wrong

The Church says that you may leave an abusive marriage for the safety of yourself and the children. It requires that you not marry again unless you have obtained an annulment.

24 posted on 01/19/2019 1:08:34 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

That is where the nullity that Msgr. Pope writes about comes into play. Clearly if your mother exhibited harmful, demonic behavior that would possibly be grounds for an annulment of the marriage. It’s a little late in this case, but (Catholic) families suffering this type of dysfunction should consult with a knowledgeable, compassionate priest about annulment.


58 posted on 01/19/2019 6:55:11 PM PST by EDINVA
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