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To: metmom
Ha, metmom my lady, you don't know the half of it.

Not for just 1,000 years: for over 2,000 years every kind of sin and every kind of sinner has been found in the Catholic Church. Yes, sin abounded --- and grace superabounded.

For every Judas we see a Peter; for every Arius an Athanasius; for every Manichaean, a Leo the Great. For every Innocent III there was a Francis of Assisi. For every string of mediocre and semi-apostate popes, and every Johann Tetzel, an all-star (All-Saint) team of the simple, the humble and the wise: Teresa of Avila, Catherine of Siena, Robert Bellarmine, Peter Faber. For every Ted Kennedy, a Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

You've missed a lot of the last 1,000 years.

Have we done nothing to self-reform, by the grace of God? Again and again: Ecclesia semper reformandi. The Church is always to be reformed.

And here's a quote suitable for framing,from Oscar Wilde: "The Catholic Church is for saints and sinners alone. For respectable people, the Anglican Church will do."

13 posted on 02/21/2019 1:14:43 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God." - 1 Peter 4:17)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The issue isn’t that sometimes sin can be found in congrgations.

For about the millionth time, it’s that NOTHING is being done or has been done to correct it, FOR OVER 1,000 years.

When the purging begins, get back to me.

You know priests being defrocked and those involved in whatever capacity start going to jail, and Catholicism quits owning them.

Because anyone who makes excuses for sin and says that once a priest , always a priest is not doing anything to fix the problem.


15 posted on 02/21/2019 1:47:15 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Not for just 1,000 years: for over 2,000 years every kind of sin and every kind of sinner has been found in the Catholic Church. Yes, sin abounded --- and grace superabounded.

And Catholics tell Prots we take God's grace too lightly?

First off, you all are the ones with the different grades of sin and homosexuality and pedophilia is among the worst.

God does not continue to pour out His grace on unrepentant sinners, as you all keep telling us.

God deals with sin in the lives of His children and in church bodies.

He laid out very clear guidelines for church discipline and Roman Catholicism has steadfastly refused to follow them, as evidenced by 1,000 years of this kind of nonsense going on.

I don't see anywhere in Scripture where God promises to bless and protect people who habitually practice sin.

He does not have the lackadaisical, que sera, sera towards sin that most Catholics have with their, hey, we're all sinners, they're just sinners like the rest of us, nobody is perfect, attitude that most Catholics blow off the misdeeds of their clergy with.

Sinners just like the rest of us to a born again believer is someone who struggles with their sin nature and strives to overcome it, not someone who practices it and shrugs their shoulders, that hey, nobody's perfect.

Catholicism has not dealt with the homosexual problem within for 1,000 years and counting now.

There is no excuse.

And the more you guys try to double down and excuse it and pretend that something is going to fix it somehow some day, and Christ is still with us all in the midst of it, the less credibility you have by the day. All that it looks like to everyone else is that you all are burying your heads in the sand, repeating the mantra that Jesus promised to protect His church and that someday it's all going to be fixed, somehow, more like you wish it were true and are trying to convince yourselves, more than trying to convince us.

Did it EVER occur to you guys that Jesus is waiting for YOU ALL to fix it?????

After all, He already laid out the guidelines in His word. It's simply a matter of obeying what He already told us.

And if you are not willing to obey, then how is He obligated to fix it for you when your organization doesn't care enough to fix it themselves?

God will not bless sin, and God will not bless Catholicism while it continues in said state.

16 posted on 02/21/2019 2:20:13 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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