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No, Dinosaurs Aren't in the Bible: Part 3
Depths of Pentecost ^ | May 4, 2019 | Philip Cottraux

Posted on 05/04/2019 12:05:47 PM PDT by pcottraux

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To: pcottraux

Ok, genius, who created the Dinosaurs?

If God created them, then they are in the Bible. I didn’t bother to read the article because the premise was false. Perhaps you can give us busy people the Cliff Note version.


21 posted on 05/04/2019 3:35:31 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: P-Marlowe
If dinosaurs had only stayed around...



22 posted on 05/04/2019 5:24:02 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
You win the prize! The key to all of this lies in Gen 6:1 with the Nephilim. They taught the women witchcraft and spells. The corruption of the DNA of God's Creation was the aim of these mutants. There is much more detail in Enoch and Jasher, but the statement that people miss is the seed war started in Gen 3 when God told Satan that the seed of the woman would crush the head of the seed of Satan. Ever since then Satan tried to corrupt the seed of the woman. Immediately after Gen 6:1 was stated, we learn of Noah and the Flood. There are pottery shards with accurate pics of Stegosaurus and Triceratops painted on them next to human forms. People saw live dino's and painted them. These beasts were NOT made by God but used edited DNA from God's Creation. God found Noah, whose Generations were perfect. His son's wives, however were not perfect. Notice the Dino's didn't make the cut on the Ark. Noah was on the Ark 7 days before the rain fell, but God led the animals on the Ark. Clean animals that He created, that God wanted to live.

Fast forward to Moses going into Canaan land and the spies telling him they were Grasshoppers in their eyes. What many miss there is the statement that they devoured their inhabitants. They are said to have 6 fingers and toes and be 9-13 ft tall. These are fallen angels with human DNA mixed that the women would carry into the world. Now fast forward to Saul as king of Israel being told to kill everything with breath in certain cities. That means cats, dogs, horses, cattle, beasts, women and children? Why? because they altered each one for their own use. God hates them and wants them dead.In the Septuagint, Nimrod was the first Giant after the Flood. He was a hunter of men. Could this be a clue why God hated Esau and loved Jacon? Esau was a hunter and Rabbi's speak of Esau killing Cain in their writings. There are fables about Adam's animal skin was passed on to Cain and Esau killed Cain to get it because it had power from God. God made animals to reproduce after their own kind. If a man has sex with a goat, there won't be a half goat/man result, but the Nephilim could edit DNA to make a horse/human combo if needed. There is substantial depictions of these combo's in ancient archeology.

The point is God didn't make the dino's, He killed them. If they were wanted by God, the Ark would have been much bigger. There is absolutely no proof that the earth is over 6000 years old. The dino's drowned and are buried under feet of mud to fossilize them.

23 posted on 05/04/2019 7:17:32 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles; rawcatslyentist
but the Nephilim could edit DNA

They knew about CRISPR way back when?

24 posted on 05/04/2019 7:20:43 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; pcottraux; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; ...
increasing hyperbaric pressure in the atmosphere, leading to 100% oxygen levels.

I find that one to be complete bull. The thing about oxygen is that it oxidizes....If the oxygen content of the atmosphere was 100%, we'd all be lucky to live even 9 years (forget 900!), before we'd burn out or die from spontaneous human combustion, IMO.

The 100% oxygen level assertion is nowhere substantiated by this revisionist, and indeed sounds dubios. However, as regards increased oxygen level,

"In October 2006 Science Daily publicized a study led by Arizona State University staff entitled “Giant Insects Might Reign If Only There Was More Oxygen In The Air.” The article claims, “The delicate lady bug in your garden could be frighteningly large if only there was a greater concentration of oxygen in the air, a new study concludes. The study adds support to the theory that some insects were much larger during the late Paleozoic period because they had a much richer oxygen supply, said the study’s lead author Alexander Kaiser. The Paleozoic period…was a time of huge and abundant plant life and rather large insects — dragonflies had two-and-a-half-foot wing spans, for example. The air’s oxygen content was 35% during this period, compared to the 21% we breathe now, Kaiser said.” This research concurs with the biblical model of the early earth. In 2010 researchers at Arizona State University presented the results of experiments raising insects in various levels of atmospheric oxygen. Ten out of twelve varieties of insects studied decreased in size with lower oxygen. Some, like dragonflies, grew faster and became bigger in an enriched oxygen atmosphere (Science Daily, October 30, 2010.). " - https://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/early-earth/atmosphere/

The leading theory is that ancient bugs got big because they benefited from a surplus of oxygen in Earth's atmosphere. But a new study suggests it's possible to get too much of a good thing: Young insects had to grow larger to avoid oxygen poisoning. "We think it's not just because oxygen affects the adults but because oxygen has a bigger effect on larvae," said study co-author Wilco Verberk of Plymouth University in the U.K.

Fossils show that giant dragonflies and huge cockroaches were common during the Carboniferous period, which lasted from about 359 to 299 million years ago

During this time, the rise of vast lowland swamp forests led to atmospheric oxygen levels of around 30 percent—close to 50 percent higher than current levels. /

According to previous theories about insect gigantism, this rich oxygen environment allowed adult bugs to grow to ever larger sizes while still meeting their energy needs. (Related: "Did Rising Oxygen Levels Fuel Mammal Evolution?") - https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/08/110808-ancient-insects-bugs-giants-oxygen-animals-science

As for dino size, they could get quite big, based on our quite limited findings:

https://www.seeker.com/top-10-largest-dinosaurs-1769041759.html

There is debate over the oxygen levels during the era of dinos, but the idea that "Dinosaurs Aren't in the Bible" is absurd, as is that animals such as the Behemoth were not actual animals, for God said He created him along with Job, and describes him in much detail, but which Cottraux relegates (along with Leviathan) to being a non-actual, mythological entity of paganism.

For the reality is not only that God describes them as real, but but an estimated 75% of non-avian dinos remain to be discovered, with a estimated 3,400 dinosaur genera having existed, including many that would not have been preserved in the fossil record.

And this error of Cottraux in denying the literal nature of the what God refers to as creations of His is countered here, by the grace of God:

(1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 .

25 posted on 05/04/2019 7:29:45 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: P-Marlowe; Getready; redfog
If God created them, then they are in the Bible. I didn’t bother to read the article because the premise was false. Perhaps you can give us busy people the Cliff Note version.

It gets worse: Behemoth and Leviathan are relegated to being non-actual, mythical creatures, despite Behemoth being a creature that is clearly stated to be a creation of God along with Job ("Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee " - Job 40:15), and both Behemoth and Leviathan are described in much detail as actual, contrary to mythical creatures, and presented are testimony to God's power, knowledge and wisdom to a bewildered servant suffering from real affliction, who needs to realize that God knows all and is in control, in detail. Which is not going to be conveyed by talking about how He controls the Klingons.

See links in above post.

26 posted on 05/04/2019 7:47:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Mayhaps the flood was to wipe the DNAsaurs from the earth along with the dna corrupted peoples

I believe that is EXACTLY the reason for the Flood, to wipe out the Nephilim, and the horrible genetically manipulated monsters they were able to create.

27 posted on 05/04/2019 7:56:57 PM PDT by Mark17 (What, exactly, was the "only evil continually," that was going on in the days of Noah?)
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To: pcottraux

The article fails to take into account the fact that young earth creationists are not monolithic in their views.

John Baumgardner helped Joseph Dillow to try to get a vapor canopy computational model to work, but after a while John realized that the model wasn’t going to be able to dissipate the absorbed solar heat. John doesn’t endorse the vapor canopy, and I don’t know if Jody Dillow still does, but having said that, John Baumgardner NO LONGER thinks the vapor canopy is a valid approach.


28 posted on 05/04/2019 8:02:27 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: daniel1212
If the oxygen content of the atmosphere was 100%, we'd all be lucky to live even 9 years (forget 900!), before we'd burn out or die from spontaneous human combustion, IMO.

We tend to worry about what animals will breathe; yet ignore or forget plantlife needs NITROGEN to growth strong bodies twelve ways too!


Nitrogen is so vital because it is a major component of chlorophyll, the compound by which plants
use sunlight energy to produce sugars from water and carbon dioxide (i.e., photosynthesis).
It is also a major component of amino acids, the building blocks of proteins.

Efficient Fertilizer Use Guide Nitrogen | Mosaic Crop Nutrition | Mosaic ...


https://www.cropnutrition.com/efu-nitrogen

29 posted on 05/04/2019 8:22:51 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Mark17

exactly?


30 posted on 05/04/2019 8:23:36 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
That’s what I think. Exactly the reason, but maybe not the only reason. Maybe Noah didn’t take a liking to all those rock monsters in that movie. What do you think? 😁
31 posted on 05/04/2019 8:46:54 PM PDT by Mark17 (What, exactly, was the "only evil continually," that was going on in the days of Noah?)
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To: pcottraux
Please add me.

Making sense of Bible stories 101, the tale of the tower of Babel, and what it actually means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYv5rB62qHk&t=1752s

32 posted on 05/04/2019 10:51:54 PM PDT by ganeemead
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To: Mark17
Gen 6:5-8
 
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
 
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
 
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
 
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
 
I would assume that verse 5 gives the 'reason'.


Noah didn't argue; just built the boat.

Later; GOD is upset with the Israelites and is going to wipe THEM off the Earth; but Moses intervenes.

33 posted on 05/05/2019 4:46:19 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie; MHGinTN; Roman_War_Criminal
Noah didn't argue; just built the boat.

No he didn’t. He was very familiar with the Nephilim, the offspring of fallen angels and women, and probably wished to be rid of them too. The rocks were alive. I have no doubt it was true. 😁👍

34 posted on 05/05/2019 5:33:15 AM PDT by Mark17 (What, exactly, was the "only evil continually," that was going on in the days of Noah?)
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To: brjam
When I read Genesis, God created the Earth, and beasts AND MAN prior to Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were not cavemen, rather they lived in a Garden, and they were made later.

Man -- Adam -- is created by God on day 6. Only Eve is made later than Adam as Eve is created from Adam's rib. There is no creation of man prior to Adam. That is a non-biblically supported fantasy of Hugh Ross's to try to account for death entering into the Creation at a time prior to Adam's sin. Ross's position is in direct conflict with Paul where he writes in Romans 5:12, "For by one man sin entered the world and death by sin...." and in 1 Corinthians 15:21-22: "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."

And so Adam and Eve is the story of man. The 6000 years is not the history of earth. It is the history of man.

If you have read the Bible you realize that the history of man coincides perfectly with the age of the Earth. All years and Earth ages defined in terms of days and years are the same throughout Genesis. Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2), and He is the Creator of the Universe itself (John 1:1-5). To say otherwise, that He contradicts Himself, or doesn't tell it straight as He inspired Moses to wrote it blasphemes Him.

God made Adam and Eve 6000 to 7000 years ago. God breathed life and gave a soul to Adam and Eve so they would have the capacity to know right from wrong and receive the Holy Spirit. Other men and women had been around for quite sometime. We know this because After Adam and Eve had their two sons, Cain slew Abel, Cain went into the land of Nod and found a wife and he continued to live.

Actually more correctly Adam and Eve had many more children than just 3 sons, Cain, Able, and Seth. Genesis 5:4 makes it clear that they had multiple sons and daughters: "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters."

So where did Cain go to find a wife if Adam and Eve were the only couple on earth?

Cain married a sister or his niece. This was possible due to the fact that in this case a single generation removed from the original creation of Adam and Eve posed no meaningful possibility genetic complication due to procreation with a close relative. God did not prohibit marriage between siblings until the time of Leviticus 18:6–18. On the premise that a purpose of marriage is to procreate by this time enough genetic corruption had entered the gene pool of mankind generally that to procreate with a close relative would amplify the possibility of genetic malformation in offspring.

However, scientists erroneously concluded that this evidence disproved the story of Adam and Eve. As usual they are misguided.

Which "scientists" supposedly claimed this, upon which premise did they make their prediction and what method did they employ to come to this false conclusion?

Since all of the surviving men were sons of Noah, the DNA evidence ends and correctly proves that we all descended from Noah. Thus, we are also all descendants of Adam. Interestingly, this means the flood is responsible for killing off all remaining humans that were on the earth that had no soul/spirit.

Here you have strayed back into more Hugh Ross sophistry. The Bible makes no distinction as you and Ross have that there were somehow "men" whom God created who were not in fact fully human, but souless spiritless bodies. Those who are souless and spiritless are better known as "dead." The term inanimate derives from the root "animal" which means "spirit." Yours and Ross's souless and spirit-less persons who have by definition been inanimate are by the same definition dead. To be animated one must have a spirit in order to be so.

FReegards!

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35 posted on 05/05/2019 9:40:27 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
If the oxygen content of the atmosphere was 100%, we'd all be lucky to live even 9 years (forget 900!), before we'd burn out or die from spontaneous human combustion, IMO.

I'm having computer issues so I'm responding on my phone; can only make short comments.

But I agree. Kent Hovind say in a hyperbaric chamber and "felt great" afterwards...so that's the scientific research he presents lol.

36 posted on 05/05/2019 10:56:46 AM PDT by pcottraux (depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: fishtank

Never heard of those 2 so I can’t comment on their claims. I’m responding specifically to Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, and a LOT of YEC’s who’ve argued with me on FR and social media.


37 posted on 05/05/2019 10:58:48 AM PDT by pcottraux (depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: the_daug

If you read part 1 of this series, I addressed the Behemoth of Job 40. The root word “behema” refers to a beast of burden, usually an ox. The “tail” is a euphemism for the penis; the following word “bahad” (which KJV translates as “stones”) refers to it’s testicles. So the verses are about it’s reproductive organs.


38 posted on 05/05/2019 11:02:31 AM PDT by pcottraux (depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: ganeemead

Thank you, I will! Hope I can be of service to you. (I made a lot of enemies with this series on dinosaurs not being in the Bible, it’s refreshing to see something complimentary).


39 posted on 05/05/2019 11:04:16 AM PDT by pcottraux (depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: humblegunner
You seem amazingly focused upon promoting yourself

Your hallucination is noted.

40 posted on 05/05/2019 11:05:44 AM PDT by pcottraux (depthsofpentecost.com)
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