Posted on 05/08/2019 11:02:54 AM PDT by fishtank
Yep!
I have seriously contemplated writing a book called “Stupid Christians”
There is no 'time stamp' given for the flood of Genesis 1:2... and it certainly took place before flesh bodies were created... There is a reason for that flood, which the Heavenly Father did not cause Moses to described... To acknowledge that 'first' flood dispels any notion that this earth is only 6,000 years old. Jeremiah describes the flood of Genesis 1:2...
Too many decide a theology and then have to ignore the whole of Scripture to defend their theology.
‘It was a worldwide flood as recorded in God’s Word.’
and the pair of kangaroos that were on the Ark hopped back to Australia, over the Indian Ocean, when the waters receded from their 17,000 foot depth, reaching the summit of Mt. Ararat, as was reported...
by the way, nothing was recounted about plant life during this period; we must assume 100% mortality for them...what did the hordes of poor herbivores subsist on once having regained dry ground...?
When the Burlingham Canyon was formed there was already a drainage channel that the water was diverted down. The geologic structure of the area consists of Touchet Formations, gravel and fine sediment. At the time the ground had also been saturated by heavy rains. The geologic formations of the Grand Canyon is made us of much harder rock.
Could you suggest a good Torah or Talmud study for Christians?
Most of the back and forth was over whether Behemoth was a real animal.
Regardless, no one convinced me why it should be considered a DINOSAUR.
Touchet FormationThe Touchet beds are formed of sediment which deposited during the various Missoula Floods, around 16,450 to 13,750 BCE, and during the Bonneville Flood that occurred in approximately 12,500 BCE. Another potential source for periodic flooding, still somewhat controversial, is flood release by jökulhlaups from subglacial lakes in British Columbia, but no specific source for these jökulhlaups has yet been identified.
During the floods, flow through the narrow Wallula Gap was restricted such that water pooled in a temporary lake, Lake Lewis, which formed in the lowlands of the Columbia Plateau. Lake Lewis back-flooded up the Yakima, Walla Walla, Touchet and Tucannon River valleys. This flooding lasted for a period of 4–7 days. In the relatively calm arms of the lake, the slack waters were thick with suspended materials eroded from the scablands above. Some of the suspended materials settled out, creating thick Touchet Formation layers, or rhythmites, which are found throughout these valleys. The larger clasts settled out first, followed by the finer ones. This resulted in layers with graded bedding, or bedding in which the larger particles are at the bottom and the smaller ones are at the top.
What did the bird have in its beak. Have you never seen things grow after a flood. What kind of nonsense are you trying to prove?
A God that created everything, including natural law, who is then limited by natural, doesn’t make sense. Neither does God’s creation dictating what God can do. A God bound by natural law is not the God of the Bible, it’s the theory of evolution.
Wow. The article parrots your question and even your tone.
The story is worldwide.
That's not proof a worldwide flood.
The story traveled around to different cultures.
Sure, a great flood happened. I believe that.
But it didn't flood the America's, Australia, New Zealand
Antartica, etc,. But obviously some large part of a
land mass was flooded and people of that time recorded
that fact.
I read that the Grand Canyon was formed by an up-welling of the land that was slow enough to allow the Colorado river to cut the canyons out.
But you have assigned one ...
There is a reason for that flood ...
If you know the reason then tell ...
... which the Heavenly Father did not cause Moses to described ...
If Moses did not document it, and you weren't there, why do you assume it happened?
Jeremiah describes the flood of Genesis 1:2...
Really? Please indulge ... I'm skeptical but you have my interest ... at least momentarily.
And so far you have not addressed what theological problem exists in the text of Genesis that requires another flood ...
Are you sure its not your desire to harmonize what you consider to be scientific truth? Do you view scientific truth to be on par with the text of scripture.
“Regardless, no one convinced me why it should be considered a DINOSAUR.”
Whether you are convinced or not is irrelevant.
daniel1212 demonstrated that your assertion had no legitimate basis as a truth claim.
In other words, you failed to prove your assertion.
It remains an assertion.
When did Lucifer rebel and get cast out... Moses sure does not give that account, but both Isaiah and Ezekiel sure do ... Christ and Paul refer to this ‘time’ as the katabolle ... greek word for casting down ... time when the ‘saints’ were chosen...
Pauls writes about those who are given the Spirit of slumber ... they simply are not capable of handling the ‘truth’... they make up their own theologies and disregard what is yet to come.
Jeremiah 4:
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
(Genesis 1:2)
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
This is not describing Noah's flood ... because there were named and unnamed survivors...
Personally, because of the cause of Noah's flood, I am not bound that it literally covered the whole earth... but, it wiped out all those that had polluted their blood line to Christ...
With what is called ‘scientific’ truth I hold them to be just as corrupt as any given politician. Evolution is a fairy tail/tale... The cause of the ‘old testament’ is to give us ‘His-story’. From Adam to the birth of Christ and all those of the six day creation they came in contact with.
You did not prove yourself correct—missed that point.
It could have been a lot of things and the details of it aren’t recorded except by myth, legend, and folklore. The end of the ice age could have led to a sudden chain reaction of glacial seas spilling into the ocean and flooding coastlands as sea levels rose. There is some evidence for that but it’s hard to piece together something that happened 10 to 20 thousand years ago.
No, Moses did not describe that event ... but the timeline is trivial from what Moses DID write ...
God created everything in six days (yes, even the angels He created, including Lucifer) ... and the seventh day everything was very good (which could not be said if Lucifer fell before that). Now if everything was proclaimed by God the Father as VERY GOOD, then the fall of Lucifer OF NECESSITY was after the six days of creation ...
As for Jeremiah 4 ... you interpreted the verses in isolation ... out of their context. For if you would have kept reading in Jer 4 ... you would find ...
Jer. 4:28 - Because of this the earth will mourn, the skies above will grow dark. I have spoken; I have planned, and I will not relent or turn back from it.
God will not turn back or relent from what???
The entire context of Jer 4 is the coming judgment of Judah in the Babylonian exile. He is not going to turn back or relent from executing His judgment on the nation. What you see as a second flood (ok, really first) is God describing the desolation of Jerusalem after the siege has already taken place (and Jeremiah writes it from the view of future history looking back ... since He who inspired him to write it is omniscient).
I would go back and read the entire 4th chapter of Jeremiah ... both before and after the verse you mentioned ... you will get much context on each end of the passage you are using ...
google younger dryas impact. The theory was dismissed for years but has rapidly gained credibility from better technology in identifying the sites. way before moses/noah but humans had to remember it. lots of terraforming floods. every culture reflects it in old flood myths.
I don’t remember that. I do remember him telling me I’m wrong over and over again, and when I pressed him to disprove the evidence I submitted (the meaning of the Hebrew root word “Behema,” the lack of scientifically accurate details IF the creature’s a sauropod, no mention of a long neck, the Ugaritic texts...)
As I recall, his answer was “I don’t need to disprove it, because you’re wrong!” Circular reasoning much?
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