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Archaeology, genetics confirm Bible story of Philistines' origins
Christian Post ^ | 08/05/2019 | By John Stonestreet and Roberto Rivera

Posted on 08/05/2019 9:16:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: NativeSon; SeekAndFind; Little Ray; Boogieman; katana
The Sea Peoples are a modern invention, used to wave away problems created by blind acceptance of the conventional pseudochronology. There are two references to them in Egyptian contemporary records, which are misdated by centuries anyway. There are otherwise no ancient references to them anywhere.

The Sea Peoples left no tombs, no distinctive burials, no graveyards, no graves, no tombs, no towns, no homeland, no geographic traces, no characteristic weapons, no characteristic pottery, no coins, no identifiable rulers (including conquerors of the lands they supposedly conquered) or king-lists, no written records in their own right, no characteristic armor, no characteristic weapons, and perhaps most significantly, no wrecks -- the last one being pretty damned peculiar for a massive group of seagoing conquerors. :')

21 posted on 08/05/2019 11:24:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

They weren’t seagoing conquerors. They were seagoing refugees. I think that explains the lack of tombs, burials, etc.
They were pretty distinctive in the records that were left.


22 posted on 08/05/2019 12:07:34 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Little Ray
Refugees? That's not what the Egyptians wrote about them, and the Egyptian references (just two of them) are the only ones that exist. There's not a peep out of anyone else. And again, not a trace that they ever existed, apart from those two Egyptian references. Where were they from? Where did they go? They are, for all practical purposes, imaginary, insofar as they weren't the destroyers of the Bronze Age civilizations, and that's the role they're called upon to play.

23 posted on 08/05/2019 3:37:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
There are Egyptian texts from the late 13th/early 12th century which mention attacks by coalitions of enemies at least some of which came by sea. One group was called Peleset which is generally agreed to be the Philistines.

What about the Cherethites? Were they from Crete? Or the Pelethites? (See 2 Samuel 20.23)

"Cretans are always liars" (as St. Paul warned Titus, quoting Epimenides), so if the Philistines had come from Crete, they would have lied about it.

24 posted on 08/05/2019 3:46:47 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

25 posted on 08/05/2019 3:58:03 PM PDT by Bratch (IF YOU HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT CITIZENS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT LEADERS-George Carlin)
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To: SeekAndFind

The reason I do not devote myself to “proving” The Bible or Creation is that I recognize this is about spirituality and faith, not objectivity and fact. I learned that at age ten:

The Big Reason to Denounce the Historicity of the Bible once was the adamant assertion by archaeological experts that The Hittite Empire cited in Scripture was an obvious myth.

Then, in 1906 (as I recall), these same experts discovered Hattushah, the capitol of the sprawling ancient empire of the Hittites. Oops.

Did these pompous experts say, We were wrong; there is reason to believe the Bible account? No, they just moved on to The Next Big Reason [Excuse] to Denounce The Historicity of the Bible.

They are a pack of disingenuous hypocrites. Everything is just pretext for them to promulgate their favorite leftist, secular ideas.


26 posted on 08/05/2019 5:13:49 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: Boogieman

Good point. Another interesting point is that Dr Stephen Collins, leader of the Sodom and Gamorrah excavation in Jordan/Israel, believes that Sodom and Gamorrah were Minoan settlements because of art and architecture. Also because of pederasty


27 posted on 08/05/2019 5:44:56 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: YogicCowboy

Yep! God always proves the so-called experts wrong.


28 posted on 08/05/2019 5:46:57 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: katana

Good point. Another interesting point is that Dr Stephen Collins, leader of the Sodom and Gamorrah excavation in Jordan/Israel, believes that Sodom and Gamorrah were Minoan settlements because of art and architecture. Also because of evidences of pederasty


29 posted on 08/05/2019 5:52:30 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: SunkenCiv

They were not refugees as in begging for handouts.

They were refugees as in they left their devastated homelands to conquer themselves a new place to live.

Which, outside of a few small places like coastal Israel, they mostly failed and died. The local victors left little or nothing of them to find.

Think Barbarian Migrations like the one that destroyed Rome, but using ships, and unsuccessful.


30 posted on 08/06/2019 4:47:03 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: SunkenCiv

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky


31 posted on 08/06/2019 6:05:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Where were they from? Where did they go?

Tune in tonight at nine and find OUT!!!


https://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens

32 posted on 08/06/2019 6:10:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bratch

I knew that SOMEONE would beat me to it!


33 posted on 08/06/2019 6:11:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Little Ray
So, where were their mass graves, made by the victors after the "refugees" were killed? Where was their homeland?

34 posted on 08/06/2019 8:22:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Elsie
LOL!.

35 posted on 08/06/2019 8:23:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Little Ray
So, where were their mass graves, made by the victors after the "refugees" were killed? Where was their homeland?

36 posted on 08/06/2019 8:26:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Their homeland was apparently Crete, Greece and the Aegean Islands.
Mass graves are more problematic.


37 posted on 08/06/2019 8:26:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Little Ray
The prolific Greeks spread out over the Mediterranean basin (and apparently around the Black Sea), settling in Sicily and Italy even in Mycenaean times. The Minoans (who were non-Greek, insofar as their written language has been found to be not Greek) were displaced in markets like Caphtor (Cyprus), Israel, and Egypt, as well as the north (and -inthos placenames show up around the Adriatic and Tyrrhenian Seas). Classical Greeks wound up under Persian rule in places where they'd settled like those and in Anatolia. They didn't run into the Sea Peoples, because they were the Sea Peoples.

38 posted on 08/06/2019 9:25:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Note: this topic is from 08/05/2019. Thanks SeekAndFind.

39 posted on 07/31/2020 8:41:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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