Posted on 08/18/2019 10:40:02 AM PDT by Salvation
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_bo08us.htm
Sure are some poorly instructed Roman Catholics on this thread.
Sancta Dei Genetrix, ora pro nobis!
Sure are some poorly instructed Roman Catholics on this thread.
Yawn...No salvation outside the Catholic Church is what he is saying. No Catholic is obligated to obey every utterance of the Pope.
St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, ~180 AD
2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.
14th century reference, but still a good idea!
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
I see no allowances for what you assert.
You will note Unam came much later than Irenaeus.
But perhaps you're one of the RCs who doesn't believe your current pope, and he is your pope, is legit. Are you one of those?
Since when did this happen?
Please tell us what you believe the Pope has said that you would stand before Christ and proudly proclaim your disagreement with him was.
It’s not a law to enforce. Proclamations by the Church must be interpreted in the context of subsequent refinements to doctrine (by pope, councils, sv, etc) over the years and in this case centuries. Unam is not the only thing ever written. Example is papal infallibility, not clarified until the 19th century at Vatican One.
Oh, no, he’s the legitimate pope all right, just happens to also be a disaster.
Gee, where do I start?
Saw what???
I cannot tell you how many times RCs have used this “proclamation” to tell Christians they have to be Roman Catholic.
Proclamations by the Church must be interpreted in the context of subsequent refinements to doctrine (by pope, councils, sv, etc) over the years and in this case centuries. Unam is not the only thing ever written. Example is papal infallibility, not clarified until the 19th century at Vatican One.
What Roman Catholicism calls a "development of doctrine". In other words, it was not "handed down" by the Apostles and is not part of "tradition."
This is what happens when you start getting away from Scripture and allow "tradition" to be equal to, or in some cases, superior to Scripture.
You are at odds with some of your fellow RCs....one in particular who goes out of his way to post article after article about why he's not the pope.
Here’s some appropriate verses!
Bible / Bible Versions / New Living Translation / Proverbs / Proverbs 26 / Proverbs 26:4-14
4 Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are. 5 Be sure to answer the foolish arguments of fools, or they will become wise in their own estimation. 6 Trusting a fool to convey a message is like cutting off one’s feet or drinking poison! 7 A proverb in the mouth of a fool is as useless as a paralyzed leg. 8 Honoring a fool is as foolish as tying a stone to a slingshot. 9 A proverb in the mouth of a fool is like a thorny branch brandished by a drunk. 10 An employer who hires a fool or a bystander is like an archer who shoots at random. 11 As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness. 12 There is more hope for fools than for people who think they are wise. 13 The lazy person claims, “There’s a lion on the road! Yes, I’m sure there’s a lion out there!” 14 As a door swings back and forth on its hinges, so the lazy person turns over in bed.
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Everyone must obey the authentic Papal Magisterium: what was taught by all of the present pope's 265 successors going back to St. Peter and even to Our Blessed Lord. Even the pope is subject to this chain of transmission, because he is to conserve and hand on the "Deposit of Faith": he is one who safeguards the doctrine and passes it on: a servant, not a master, of true doctrine.
Listen: if the present Pope deviates from the Papal Magisterium --- not handing on to us what was handed on to him --- then who/what do you suppose we must we obey: the Magisterium, or the Pope?
We Catholics should know better than to make an idol of a derelict pope.
One of your fellow RCs suggests papal infallibility took 1800 years to “develop”. That’s quite a bit of time don’t ya think? ~1800 years?? Really?
You should inform the Archdiocese of Washington that one of their priests is teaching heresy then. After all, you, ealgeone, an unimpeachable authority on every aspect of Catholic doctrine, have determined it to be so. But you won’t do that, will you?
Problem is, it isn't just "one of their priests" that is teaching this. The whole organization sanctions this.
Do you deny that Rome does teach this?
??? and who would that be????
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