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Yale Computer Scientist David Gelernter Abandons Darwinism
breitbart ^ | 8/22/19 | Tom Ciccotta

Posted on 08/25/2019 2:15:58 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

Renowned Yale computer scientist David Gelernter claims that he is abandoning Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

Gelernter, who formerly served as a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, published a column earlier this year detailing his move away from evolutionary theory. The column, which was titled “Giving Up Darwin,” provides Gelernter’s arguments against Darwinism.

Darwin’s theory predicts that new life forms evolve gradually from old ones in a constantly branching, spreading tree of life. Those brave new Cambrian creatures must therefore have had Precambrian predecessors, similar but not quite as fancy and sophisticated. They could not have all blown out suddenly, like a bunch of geysers. Each must have had a closely related predecessor, which must have had its own predecessors: Darwinian evolution is gradual, step-by-step. All those predecessors must have come together, further back, into a series of branches leading down to the (long ago) trunk.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: aei; darwinism; davidgerlernter; god; intelligentdesign
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t think it has been established why Kaczynski targetted anybody beyond that he was running a one man war to get even with those he perceived as having done wrong to the world he desired.


21 posted on 08/25/2019 3:08:00 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Darwinism was thoroughly discredited decades ago...


22 posted on 08/25/2019 3:10:31 PM PDT by northislander
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To: Jonty30

That does not strike me as a scientific definition. Are you suggesting that creationism has greater scientific validity than evolution?


23 posted on 08/25/2019 3:11:38 PM PDT by bwest
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To: bwest

I dunno, maybe wherever the evidence leads? Scientists have hung onto Darwinism for years because, as Richard Lewontin said, “Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.”


24 posted on 08/25/2019 3:13:14 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: bigbob; Roman_War_Criminal
It's not "life philosophy." It's the mathematical impossibility of a random mutation producing a useful protein. It has never been observed to happen.

"Observation" is what science is founded on. Not "life philosophy."

DNA is an information system. (That's where Gelernter's computer expertise comes in.) You can't, by randomly destroying pieces of it, create new information.

Of course, a proper scientist never says never. Gelernter modestly says the chances of a random mutation producing a stable protein that performs some useful function, are 1 in 1074 --- which is no different, in practice, from saying that they are zero.

(I'm quoting this from memory. Ballpark. It might have been 1 in 1077.)

Anyway, forget theology, says (non-theist) Gelernter. Do the math.

25 posted on 08/25/2019 3:13:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Representing the reality-based community.)
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To: bwest

You’re welcome to try to explain why species can change to other forms of the same species and cannot become another species and how all species developed despite this hardset limitation of evolution, without recognizing the most likely explanation of a working intelligence


26 posted on 08/25/2019 3:15:02 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: northislander
Darwinism was thoroughly discredited decades ago...

What replaced it?

27 posted on 08/25/2019 3:16:47 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill
A dumb answer. Like "the biologists are not math/information systems experts, so who cares?"

Genetic codes/DNA structures are information systems. That's where "biology" and "information systems" come together.

Blowing off the math is just refusing to do your homework. No, worse, it's throwing a spitball at the sweat-the-details guys who DID do their homework.

28 posted on 08/25/2019 3:16:55 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Representing the reality-based community.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Gelernter modestly says the chances of a random mutation producing a stable protein that performs some useful function, are 1 in 10 [raised to some extremely large number]”

I suspect that is on any one trial. But when the number of trials involve billions of repetitions, chances would be dramatically greater.


29 posted on 08/25/2019 3:23:28 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Bulwyf

Dude with no biology training is lecturing us on microbiology. …

LOL!


30 posted on 08/25/2019 3:24:12 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Genetic codes/DNA structures are information systems.

Music is an information system. Does that mean he can write an opera?

31 posted on 08/25/2019 3:24:55 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: SeekAndFind

“God gave him a second chance.”

Maybe God was trying to whack him?


32 posted on 08/25/2019 3:25:35 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Fungi
His picture is at the site. what a mangy looking dude.

His arm was blown off by a mail bomb shipped by the Unabomber (yes, that guy), nearly 25 years ago.

33 posted on 08/25/2019 3:33:12 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: steve86
So we have always (reasonably) assumed.

But then it turns out that billions of repetitions don't add up to any kind of real-world probablility when the number of (estimated) atoms in the Universe is 1080. "Billions, or even "billions of billions," doesn't really cut it.

I think the cat was out of the bag when fair-minded people stopped calculating like a Yanomami ("a whole lot," waving fingers) and started staring at the real numbers.

I am not a math brainiac. (I am not the droid you are looking for.) But this, Gelernter's turn-around article, "Giving Up Darwin", is worth a read.

He's not saying "Evolution didn't happen." He's not saying "God did it." He's just saying it couldn't have happened the way it is always explained. The evidence is not there. THe counter-evidence is plentiful.

It's all foiled by the stubborn fact that proteins are NOT formed and have NEVER been formed in the way evolutionists say they would have HAD to be formed. The mutation/selection numbers literally do not add up.

34 posted on 08/25/2019 3:35:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Representing the reality-based community.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Why DID Ted Kaczynski single out Gerlernter? I knew he was the one who opened a box and got his eye and hand blown away by an eco-terrorist, so many years ago. I never knew, and still don’t know, why.

Gelernter was, and still is, one of the top computer science professors in the country, and typifies the scientific-technological academic community which was the target of Kaczynski's ire.

35 posted on 08/25/2019 3:35:42 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Genetic codes/DNA structures are information systems. That’s where “biology” and “information systems” come together.”

A coder can read the code but cannot build the electronics.


36 posted on 08/25/2019 3:36:45 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Jonty30

So it’s evolution, but we are not going to call it evolution. Right. Makes perfect logical sense. Maybe we can give you a Nobel Prize for your semantic chicanery.


37 posted on 08/25/2019 3:37:23 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Poison Pill
Write opera? I love it! Your inner Cathy Newman.


38 posted on 08/25/2019 3:38:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Representing the reality-based community.)
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To: TexasGator

Very good observation.


39 posted on 08/25/2019 3:39:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Representing the reality-based community.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Ping For Later


40 posted on 08/25/2019 3:40:57 PM PDT by zeestephen
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