Posted on 12/05/2019 12:36:58 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
Clearly, the mentality that drives abortion, drives contraception. And when evangelicals embraced contraception they began thinking like pragmatists. Children became liabilities, not blessings. Marriage became a means to personal fulfillment, not family and sacrifice. And birth control became essential to personal health, as though our natural design was somehow defective.
Posted to the website of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) is a shocking quote by Pastor Joel Hunter. “Unmarried sex with contraception is not God’s plan,” he says. “(B)ut unmarried sex without contraception is not a plan at all. If holy living is not the choice of some in the near term, contraception can at least reduce some potentially devastating results (including abortion) for all in the long term.”
It’s hard to believe an evangelical pastor would make such an unbiblical argument. Scripture says we’re supposed to expel the immoral brother, not give him condoms! But this thinking has become common among Christians.
Similarly, Jenny Eaton Dyer of Hope Through Healing Hands argued that Christians need to promote birth control in Africa. This was not based on Scripture, but naked pragmatism. Spacing pregnancies promotes women’s health, Deyer said. So, “Condoms, oral contraception, injectables, implants, and natural family planning: these are necessities for the health and flourishing of . . . developing nations worldwide.”
Is this really how God wants Christians to think? Does Scripture teach that sterilizing sex is key to human flourishing?
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What about Fridays? Can we still eat meat on Fridays? Or do we need to switch over to fish?
Thanks. Expect the usual tirades.
IDK, I think maybe you meant this for a different thread? Perhaps somebody posted about fasting somewhere?
I believe the poster might have intended to convey that opposition to contraception is only ever a matter of Catholic cultural practice, comparable to eating fish on Fridays. Fish eating, as all informed Catholics know, of course, was never a directive; abstinence from meat was the prescribed penitential act, with the faithful had many choices of what to eat other than meat. Oatmeal is my personal favorite, or carrot soup, or just toast.
However, Ms. Roys’s arguments in this article (and those which precede and follow it) are accessible to Christians of any subgroup and to people of other religions. I do not recall whether, in this series, she makes arguments based on personal integrity and health that are completely free of religious content.
The author has only three kids.
Is she limiting conception in any way??
You could go to her website and ask her. She often responds to commentors. It’s even possible that someone already asked, since these articles are from 2018.
"Fish" also includes shrimp, lobster, crab and sole...mmmm. What's not to like on meatless Fridays?
Also, there were NEVER any meatless Fridays for poor Catholic countries who didn’t get much food at all...meat OR fish included.
It is simply a discussion question here on FR.
She lectures others about birth control.
I observe she only has three children, according to her web site.
My Amish neighbors have 9-13 children.
They don't use birth control.
I add that most catholics don't have 9-13 children either, despite prohibiting birth control.
bump for later
How do they have nine to thirteen children? Children aren't that kind of number. Couples have nine children or some have thirteen children but 9-13? I don't get it.
Catholics are allowed ONLY one acceptable birth control method and that is the RHYTHM METHOD. It isn't new either.
“”Fish” also includes shrimp, lobster, crab and sole...mmmm. What’s not to like on meatless Fridays?”
Ok, solid point.
“ Catholics are allowed ONLY one acceptable birth control method and that is the RHYTHM METHOD. It isn’t new either.”
I guess they don’t want to trust God with His desires for blessing.
It is simply another way to limit conception.
It’s Amish math.
Or the “s” that made Amish plural provides a clue.
There was birth control and abortion prior to the 60s. But it was unreliable, risky. In the 60s birth control was advertised as reliable and usage skyrocketed.
Prior to reliable birth control, self-control and delayed gratificaton imposed by the realities of sex spilled over into the culture and we had a culture of self-control and delayed gratification.
Birth Control has changed the culture to one of no self-control and immediate gratification.
Natural Family Planning has gone way ahead of “the Rhythm Method”. It is possible to determine whether a woman is ovulating or not. Even back in the 90s, when I took the course, it was not just rhythm, it was also temperature and cervical position and mucus viscosity. Now, I think there are ovulation kits and apps that have made things much easier than when I was charting by hand. When practiced correctly, it’s something like 93% accurate. And a lot safer than hormones, and cheaper.
The Natural Family planning is not intended for people who don’t have any good reason to postpone pregnancy. It’s for child spacing so you can welcome God’s blessings without serious risk of exhaustion, or financial instability.
Everybody likes to find hypocrisy in Catholic teaching, but it does a good job of keeping openness to God and to each other, and pragmatic assessment of readiness to be parents.
“ The Natural Family planning is not intended for people who don’t have any good reason to postpone pregnancy. It’s for child spacing so you can welcome God’s blessings without serious risk of exhaustion, or financial instability.”
As are other forms of contraception controll.
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