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Who is Luke, do we have any contemporary accounts? The Bible cannot be used as evidence. Did Luke ever mention the baptism of Jesus by John? There’s not even contemporary evidence for Paul and the other “apostles” in the New Testament.


11 posted on 03/19/2020 9:52:33 AM PDT by dburt2
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To: dburt2

“... do we have any contemporary accounts?”
The New Testament is a collection of contemporary accounts, not a single “Book” as you imply, but I don’t expect you understand that because you’re mind is made up and you want to justify your position. Your comment is as fallacious as any Straw Man ever posited ... frankly the Spiderman argument is stronger.

“Avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it.” - Colin Powell


13 posted on 03/19/2020 10:31:59 AM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: dburt2; SeekAndFind

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suetonius_on_Christians

The Roman historian Suetonius (c. AD 69 – c. AD 122) mentions early Christians and may refer to Jesus Christ in his work Lives of the Twelve Caesars.[1][2][3] historians also put stock into Suetonius’ work. One passage in the biography of the Emperor Claudius Divus Claudius 25, refers to agitations in the Roman Jewish community and the expulsion of Jews from Rome by Claudius during his reign (AD 41 to AD 54), which may be the expulsion mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles (18:2). In this context “Chresto” is mentioned. Some scholars see this as a likely reference to Jesus, while others see it as referring to an otherwise unknown person living in Rome.[4][5][6]

Christians are explicitly mentioned in Suetonius’ biography of the Emperor Nero (Nero 16) as among those punished during Nero’s reign.[7] These punishments are generally dated to around AD 64,[8] the year of the Great Fire of Rome. In this passage Suetonius describes Christianity as excessive religiosity (superstitio) as do his contemporaries, Tacitus and Pliny.[2]

Historians debate whether or not the Roman government distinguished between Christians and Jews prior to Nerva’s modification of the Fiscus Judaicus in AD 96. From then on, practising Jews paid the tax, Christians did not.[9]

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Christian communities are documented by early Roman historians. There is no doubt they existed.

The chapters attributed to the Apostles are of leading, teaching, nurturing these Christian communities. There is no doubt these communities had leaders and the leaders in turn were guided, mentored, and inspired. Scripture ascribes this guiding leadership to the Apostles.

How old are the scriptures of Jesus and the Apostles?

In year 325 AD, the Council of Nicaea proclaimed and formally recognized the chapters of the New Testament as the Word of God. But Christians had been listening to readings of New Testament Chapters for centuries before.

Here is a very strong line of reasoning:

“If a historical account of New York City mentions the the construction and the presence of the twin towers of the World Trade Center but ends without mentioning their destruction, that historical account predates September 11, 2001. This conclusion is warranted, isn’t it?”

“Acts ends without mentioning the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD; this indicates that Acts predates 70 AD.”

“Acts also ends without mentioning the great fire in Rome and the ensuing Roman persecution of Christians across the Roman empire; this indicates that Acts also predates 64 AD.”

“Acts ends just after mentioning Paul’s completion of his 2 year imprisonment in Rome but without mentioning his martyrdom in 62 AD. This indicates that Acts was completed in 62 AD.”

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Now the works of Suetonius and other Roman historians are accepted as historical works. That these works exist is a fact. These works are nearly two thousand years old.

The earliest known chapters of the New Testament are also nearly two thousand years old. Their existence is firmly established in the year 325 AD but they were in circulation before that year.

Any objective historian would ascribe factual existence history to New Testament scriptures with the same weight given to Roman works of the same era.


14 posted on 03/19/2020 10:50:23 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: dburt2
Did Luke ever mention the baptism of Jesus by John?

I have 4-5 local tv stations near me.

They all report the 'news' at 6PM

If they all told the same stories; why wouldn't we just have ONE of them?

29 posted on 03/21/2020 9:25:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dburt2
The Bible cannot be used as evidence.

Then what can be?

30 posted on 03/21/2020 9:25:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dburt2
'The Republic' can't be used as evidence for the existence of Plato and of course, Socrates.

Do you understand the manuscript process that began around the 8th century en masse? Do you believe Hannibal existed?
32 posted on 03/22/2020 2:00:07 PM PDT by rollo tomasi
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