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To: ealgeone
It's real simple. Compare the message of the apparition with Scripture. The false message of the apparition is clear when one does this.

Yes false message, false Church... I get it..... That's been going for 2000 years against Christ's Church.

Which scripture should one compare it to that doesn't contradict Paul?
... You said Catholics should heed the writings of St. Paul (albeit some of his letters seem to contradict Christ and the Apostles) and indeed we do listen to Paul at every Mass.

We understand Paul encourages ALL OF US to give of ourselves to save souls through prayer, intercession and supplication. Yes that's in the scriptures. Mary was/is no different. She gave her immaculate heart to God- AND ALL OF US- as she is BLESSED FOR ALL AGES... Being of Grace and doing God's will in being the "Mother of our Lord"- she would be absolutely and forever involved in saving souls as well. That is her battle in John's Revelation- whom Christ gave John and all of us in his hour of excruciating suffering for us.

ALL Catholics learn and know that Christ is the ONLY redeemer , the ONLY hope and way we can have for salvation to be offered to us. For anyone to conflate or confuse this dogma - Catholic or Non- is simply incorrect. To imply someone denies this redemptive salvation through Christ alone -through adoration of Mary- who's soul MAGNIFIES The Lord, is not being honest.
Catholics understand when Mary was at Cana.... she tells us, ready or not....."Do whatever he (Jesus) tells you" In nothing less than subordinate Love she has for us.....

But if she's just another woman to some...then so be it...
17 posted on 05/23/2020 9:02:34 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ("Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven...")
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To: MurphsLaw
>>It's real simple. Compare the message of the apparition with Scripture. The false message of the apparition is clear when one does this.<<

Yes false message, false Church... I get it..... That's been going for 2000 years against Christ's Church.

No...it's been going on since the apparition first showed up.

Which scripture should one compare it to that doesn't contradict Paul?

Already gave you one.

The problem with the apparitions is it says some truth...but then it mixes in the false teaching.

You said Catholics should heed the writings of St. Paul (albeit some of his letters seem to contradict Christ and the Apostles) and indeed we do listen to Paul at every Mass.

Well, then you're not listening or whoever is explaining the passages is doing a poor job. Paul doesn't contradict Christ nor does Christ contradict Paul. The issue is then that of the messenger or the message.

We understand Paul encourages ALL OF US to give of ourselves to save souls through prayer, intercession and supplication. Yes that's in the scriptures.

Yes. His letters were written to people here on earth.

Mary was/is no different. She gave her immaculate heart to God- AND ALL OF US- as she is BLESSED FOR ALL AGES...

Well, no. Mary wrote no letters. She didn't lead the Apostles. She played very little role in the spreading of the Gospel as we read in Acts.

And you repeat the error. Her heart, while no doubt that of a believer, was not immaculate for she was a sinner like the rest of every created being on the planet.

Mary did not give her heart to us nor was she given to the church as some in Rome claim. She was given specifically to John. No one else.

Being of Grace and doing God's will in being the "Mother of our Lord"- she would be absolutely and forever involved in saving souls as well. That is her battle in John's Revelation- whom Christ gave John and all of us in his hour of excruciating suffering for us.

Again more error. It is not her battle. If you want to hold up Revelation 12:1-2 you're gonna contradict a great deal of RC teaching on the Immaculate Conception.

As noted earlier....she was only given to John. The text is crystal clear.

ALL Catholics learn and know that Christ is the ONLY redeemer , the ONLY hope and way we can have for salvation to be offered to us.

Yet Rome calls Mary the Co-Redemptrix.

And some Roman Catholic writers say one has to go through Mary for salvation. Others say salvation is quicker if one calls upon Mary.

All of that contradicts Scripture and shows a low regard for the Father and the Son and the promises made in Scripture.

For anyone to conflate or confuse this dogma - Catholic or Non- is simply incorrect. To imply someone denies this redemptive salvation through Christ alone -through adoration of Mary- who's soul MAGNIFIES The Lord, is not being honest.

And you continue to repeat error. There is NO adoration of Mary that is necessary. None is required. Again, Scripture is crystal clear on this.

Catholics understand when Mary was at Cana.... she tells us, ready or not....."Do whatever he (Jesus) tells you" In nothing less than subordinate Love she has for us.....

This is the sin of ambition that some ECFs say Mary committed.

St. Chrysostom (349-407) “accuses her of ambition, and of putting herself forward unduly when she sought to speak to Jesus at Capernaum.” Chrysostom is recognized as a Doctor of the Church.

Irenaeus (130-202) suggests Mary had “untimely haste” at the wedding of Cana.


18 posted on 05/23/2020 3:23:00 PM PDT by ealgeone
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