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To: NobleFree; gdc61
“it implies that salvation is conditional and not a gift from god alone.”

Not at all - only through God’s grace can we exhibit Christian conduct. The fact remains that a "faith without works is dead and cannot save".

Disagree! Nowhere in God's word does it say ‘faith without works is dead and cannot save. God's grace is what saves THROUGH faith and not works. Genuine faith brings about a changed heart, a new birth, a new creature in Christ and WILL be evident in how one lives in that faith but it is NOT our works that save us - not even a little bit. It is God at work within us conforming us to the image of Christ and we can't take any credit for that - "lest any man should boast" Scripture tells us.

16 posted on 06/28/2020 9:00:50 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

amen


17 posted on 06/28/2020 9:07:28 PM PDT by gdc61 (LOL not.)
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To: boatbums

“Genuine faith brings about a changed heart, a new birth, a new creature in Christ and WILL be evident in how one lives in that faith”

Can a non-genuine faith save?

“but it is NOT our works that save us - not even a little bit.”

Nobody here said works can save.


21 posted on 06/29/2020 7:03:39 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: boatbums; NobleFree
faith without works is dead and cannot save

Why is this a problem?

Taken “as is”, the words make sense to me.

After all, how can something that is “dead” in this way save anyone?

I don’t know, so, from a different “3:16” point of view, I ask myself:

“In which category would “faith without works” be: Hot, Cold or Lukewarm?“
Sounds like “Lukewarm” to me and personal experience with apathy tells me it is not a blessing.
22 posted on 06/29/2020 9:14:22 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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