Posted on 07/03/2020 7:53:14 PM PDT by ebb tide
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Hands are much dirtier than a tongue.
Reception of the Eucharist on the tongue is preferred by the GIRM. (General Instructions of the Roman Missal)
Please go away.
Nobody is interested in your obsession with this communion in the hand thing.
Take care of your own soul and leave the rest of us alone.
We are not interested in your flawed opinions.
Sorry.
Not leaving, even if Old Scratch tells me to.
True enough! However, these are DETAILS. It doesn't MATTER.
We are simply BLESSED to have the Mass and Eucharist at all.
Remember what Jesus said that all that's "unclean" comes from within. I don't think He would cavil at dirty hands.
If THAT is his biggest and worst problem...then he really doesn't have much to worry about, does he?
"Unclean" comes from within. So, dirty hands, dirty tongue? I doubt Jesus would cavil at either. He wants us to have a CLEAN HEART first and foremost.
Thanks, oldbill.
Make that “Nobody minus two”.
“Please go away.
Nobody is interested in your obsession with this communion in the hand thing.
Take care of your own soul and leave the rest of us alone.
We are not interested in your flawed opinions.”
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“If THAT is his biggest and worst problem...then he really doesn’t have much to worry about, does he?
“Unclean” comes from within. So, dirty hands, dirty tongue? I doubt Jesus would cavil at either. He wants us to have a CLEAN HEART first and foremost.
Thanks, oldbill.”
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The poster indicated “Catholic Caucus”, so one would hope that you are either a Catholic, or if not, are at least approaching this conversation from a position that is, on balance, sympathetic to the Catholic perspective.
oldbill, the basic issue with receiving Holy Communion in the hand is that it is only even allowable in the first place due to an “Indult”, or an officially-granted exception, to the Catholic Church’s universal liturgical rule, which is that, in order to show maximum reverence for the Real Presence of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord, Jesus Christ, members of the faithful who are well-disposed are to receive the consecrated Host, the Holy Eucharist, directly on the tongue from the consecrated hands of a priest.
When you say “Nobody is interested in your obsession with this communion in the hand thing.”, you appear to reveal ignorance of this fact.
Cloudmountain, what you are referring to are Jesus’ teachings with respect to how to become and remain holy. He mentions Jewish dietary laws, not to find fault with pious, law-abiding Jews (why would he do that, as he himself was Jewish?), but as a “hook” to redirect the efforts of those who wish to conform themselves to the will of God.
As Catholics, who follow both the Old and the New Testament, we know that Jesus’ teachings in this regard cast such dietary laws directly into the dustbin of religious history. And yet, we still observe the rule that members of the faithful are to fast prior to receiving Holy Eucharist. Why, do you think, do we do this?
Of course He didn’t place His Body on the tongues of the Apostles - they were the first bishops.
Oldbill, I may need to get a life, but you certainly need to get a new forum for your views.
Among other things, that’s what Ebb tide was signaling when he added the label “Catholic Caucus” to the title.
I’m the last one who should be dispensing advice about how to avoid getting kicked off of this forum. That said, I can say that following rules like the foregoing while gracing others with your considered opinions can help keep you out of hot water.
I meant a new or different posting/thread of course. Ebbtide is simply asking that this posting/thread be commented on only by Catholics and those who are Catholic friendly.
And, I am NOT interested with one's obsession with how to receive holy communion. It's SUCH a detail. That we DO receive it SEEMS to me to be more important, but then maybe you have different ideas.
As for fasting...it USED to be three hours, now it's only an hour before Holy Communion. Also, we are allowed to drink water right up to the very moment of receiving the Eucharist.
We DO this because we are instructed to do so.
Things change. Jesus doesn't. Maybe you simply don't care for the changes and don't WANT to change.
As UK public Masses resume, bishops demand Communion in the hand only while standing
The bishops’ document also insists that “Communion must be given silently in the hand only, with the communicant standing, and avoiding any physical contact.”
Why no kneeling, old bill?
“As for fasting...it USED to be three hours, now it’s only an hour before Holy Communion. Also, we are allowed to drink water right up to the very moment of receiving the Eucharist.
We DO this because we are instructed to do so.”
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Cloudmountain. Why are we being instructed to fast prior to receiving Holy Communion?
“Why no kneeling, old bill?”
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The bishops know that one who assumes the posture of kneeling prior to receiving Holy Eucharist is publicly and unequivocally demonstrating total reverence for the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Why would they want to encourage that?
See:
Eucharistic discipline
Chapter AND verse are quoted from Canon Law.
Can. 919: §1. A person who is to receive the Most Holy Eucharist is to abstain for at least one hour before holy communion from any food and drink, except for only water and medicine.
Prayers before and after communion
Roman Catholic practice
Sufficient spiritual preparation must be made by each Roman Catholic prior to receiving Holy Communion. A Catholic in a state of mortal sin should first make a sacramental confession: otherwise that person commits a sacrilege. A sacrilege is the unworthy treatment of sacred things. Deliberate and irreverent treatment of the Eucharist is the worst of all sacrileges, as this quote from the Council of Trent shows:
"As of all the sacred mysteries ...none can compare with the ...Eucharist, so likewise for no crime is there heavier punishment to be feared from God than for the unholy or irreligious use by the faithful of that which...contains the very Author and Source of holiness." (De Euch., v.i).
The above applies to both Latin and Eastern rite Catholics.
In addition, they abstain from food and drink (except water and medicine) for at least one hour before receiving, and believe truly in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. The discipline for Eastern Catholics generally requires a longer period of fasting and some Latin Catholics observe the earlier (pre-1955) discipline of fasting from the previous midnight.
These prayers express humility and the communicants' sense of unworthiness for the gift they are about to receive. The post-Communion prayers are often read aloud by a reader or a member of the congregation after the liturgy and during the veneration of the cross, these prayers of thanksgiving expressing the communicants' joy at having received the holy mysteries "for the healing of soul and body."
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Any more questions?
URGENT – TIME SENSITIVE – INFO NEEDED ABOUT DENIAL OF COMMUNION ON THE TONGUE – REPOST, TWEET, ETC.
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