Posted on 07/04/2020 11:54:13 AM PDT by ADSUM
The history of Colonial England in America is one of great irony: The same Protestant groups who fled England in pursuit of toleration and religious liberty brought with them an utter hatred for the Church. They installed laws and customs that excluded Catholics from all aspects of public life for over a century and a half.
This reality makes the story of Catholics in the first days of Maryland all the more remarkable. From its founding, Maryland was intended to be a place where Catholics were welcomed and permitted to share in the dream of a new life which brought so many others to America. What happened to the Catholics who pursued that dream is a reminder that the freedoms we take for granted today were hard-won by those who came before us.
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The Archdiocese of Baltimore
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/archdiocese-of-baltimore
. COLONIAL PERIOD.—(a) Politico-Religious Beginnings.—Catholic Maryland, the first colony in the New World where religious toleration was established, was planned by George Calvert (first Lord Baltimore), a Catholic convert; founded by his son Cecilius Calvert (second Lord Baltimore), and named for a Catholic queen, Henrietta Maria, wife of Charles I of England. Except for the period of Ingle’s Rebellion (1645-47) its government was controlled by Catholics from the landing of the first colony under Leonard Calvert (March 25, 1634) until after 1649, when the Assembly passed the famous act of religious toleration. The first three Lords Baltimore, George, Cecilius, and Charles, were Catholics. The last three, Benedict Leonard, Charles, and Frederick, were Protestants. Puritans who had been given an asylum in Maryland rebelled and seized the government (1652-58) and Catholics were excluded from the administration of the province and restrained in the exercise of their faith. When Lord Baltimore again obtained control (1658), religious liberty was restored until 1692.
Palatinate, not colony.
Yeah, kinda like Pope Frankie. But real Catholics are rebelling.
They don’t, but Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito do.
The same Protestant groups who fled England in pursuit of toleration and religious liberty brought with them an utter hatred for the Church.
>Hatred? Well, lets see, the Papists burned John Huss at the stake, and God only knows how many additional thousands that rejected their false claims of being lords over God’s people.
They wanted to burn Wycliffe and Luther too, but they escaped their clutches. The dug up Wycliff’s bones after his death and burned them they hated him so. And what was his crime? he made the Bible available to the common people. They strangled Tyndale at the stake for the same reason.
So go figure, as to who hates who. The Pilgrims came to America seeking religious liberty to escape such hatred, for God’s sake.
Religious iiberty: one of the chief things American Christians who know their history celebrate this fourth of July.
iiberty = liberty
I'm a real Catholic and I am NOT rebelling.
Pope Francis is ONE man, ELECTED by his fellow cardinals. He will NOT live forever and when he does finally pass on the cardinals will elect another bishop as Pope.
Besides, my life hasn't changed ONE iota since his papacy. The COVID-19 virus has frozen me out of Mass and the Sacraments. THAT change is 1000x worse than a Pope you detest.
Papacies, presidents, senators and reps don't change my life. Our ANNUAL killing VIRUSES from China DO.
No, it wasn't the Wuhan virus that froze you out, it was the Francis and his francisbishops.
I have seen this form of argument completely take over all discourse in the nation.
Ad hominem fallacy is where one ignores the premises of the first part of the argument and instead makes counter accusations. This is a staple of the Left.
Rephrasing the argument correctly might be where you acknowledge the premise or disprove the premise rather than attack from bias with your separate grievence.
I see this all the time on national news. One person is simply waiting for the other person to stop talking so they can insert their own talking points while completely ignoring what the first said. That is not a discussion. It is two people ignoring each other talking on different topics.
On the topic itself? I don’t care. History is a curiosity and not a fate.
From the first federal census of 1790, Catholics comprised only about 6/10ths of a percent (0.6%) of the population of the thirteen original colonies (about 25,000 out of 3,939,000). The number, 25,000 (Catholics), is from John Carroll (bishop), 1785, first federal census.
“The six inquiries in 1790 called for the name of the head of the family and the number of persons in each household...” (Census Bureau).
That was soon after the United States established independence in 1789 (Constitution effective that year after previous drafting and ratification).
One of the main reasons for the meetings in Holland and consequent Protestant settlement of early America was religious tyranny in Europe. Many wars in several countries in Europe preceded the migration.
And non-conforming Protestants, like yourself, didn't fare much better. The main difference was that non-conforming Protestants were killed for being heretics, while Catholics were killed for being "traitors". But those executed were equally dead.
You should be evenhanded and admit that both were execrable. That is, of course, assuming you actually like the First Amendment, and don't simply wish that you could be doing the persecuting of those whose religion is different from your own.
God won’t be asking us which faith you were except did you accept Jesus as Savior and Lord.
all this bickering over which segment of believers had it worse or details of such is similar to which race had it worse.
waste of time fighting people when Bible clearly tells us our battle is in the spiritual realm not flesh and blood.
Romanists also strangled Tyndale for translating the Bible into English. Then they burned his body.
He had completed all of the NT and some of the OT. But it remained to others to finish what he started. Much of the KJV is borrowed directly from Tyndale’s gorgeous renderings.
The catholic faith is for all including sinners so that we may know God’s Truth and keep His commandments and join God in heaven.
Jesus told us that the world hates him and He was persecuted, so too will we be hated and persecuted by the world if we believe and follow Christ.
All are welcome to learn God’s Truth in the Catholic Church and follow Him.
You may be right. Jesus has great mercy, but is just too. Yes, we must believe in God, accept Him in Baptism and keep His commandments.
Your comment; “all this bickering over which segment of believers had it worse or details of such is similar to which race had it worse”
There is an old saying that if we do not understand history, we are are doomed to repeat it. I hope that understanding the past, this will help us appreciate the suffering of many and that we can avoid similar problems in the future.
The Catholic Church that Jesus founded and gave the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to St Peter and his successors (Popes) with the power to bind and loose.
Many christian religions reject the authority of the Pope and the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is not perfect and we have many sinners including in the leadership, but the Church has remained faithful to God’s Truth and Jesus promised to stay with His Church until the end of time.
Jesus set up the Catholic Church with His Sacraments to lead us to eternal life with Him. Many christian churches have rejected sacraments, and his teachings on life, marriage, sex and faith.
I hope all christians (including all catholics) will follow Christ into Heaven, but Christ through His Mother Mary has given us many warnings that Jesus is not pleased with our sins and we need to repent, pray and change our lives.
With all the various christian churches (not in unity) with multiple doctrinal beliefs, many teachings and beliefs must be false. Jesus warned us about false prophets and teachers.
So how can one have true faith in God, if many believe in false teachings?
“So how can one have true faith in God, if many believe in false teachings?”
That’s a really good question. (You might want to crack open a Bible some day and become enlightened. Just sayin’...)
Jesus didn’t set up sacraments; mere mortals did that.
The Catholic church doesn’t lead us to eternal life.
Sacraments don’t lead us to eternal life.
Mary is not a conduit between Christ and humans.
Popes don’t have any power, including power to “bind and loose”.
Your comments: “Jesus didn’t set up sacraments; mere mortals did that.
The Catholic church doesn’t lead us to eternal life.
Sacraments don’t lead us to eternal life.
Mary is not a conduit between Christ and humans.
Popes don’t have any power, including power to “bind and loose”.
So you follow false teachings (or opinions) without any factual support of those false teachings?
If you truly understood Christ’s teachings or the Sacred Scripture, you would know that your statements are false and mere opinions that can easily be refuted.
For example: The Sacrament of the Eucharist, Christ said: “ I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst.” “Truly,truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life.” (John 6)
May you find God’s Truth for your salvation. All are welcome to search for God’s Truth in the Catholic Church.
You can search the Catholic Catechism or Catholic Answers https://www.catholic.com/ for answers on various subjects.
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