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To: pastorbillrandles
[sarcasm]Yes, Rabbanism is a poisonous well because chrstianity is self-evidently true. This is because it says so in Galatians, and everyone knows Galatians is part of the inerrant Bible because it's there in the King James Version, and the King James Version is the ultimate authority, first authorizing itself and then authorizing belief in G-d.

The KJV chrstian bible is self-evidently true because it is the bible of the chosen holy special Anglo-American chosen people. Those who chose to be born into Anglo-American Protestant culture are to be commended for being born into the ethno-culture that has the One True Bible. Just think, they could have been born into cultures that use the Septuagint, Peshitta, or Ethiopian bible and that is all so self-evidently wrong (what were these other people thinking?). You can be sure that the KJV is the one and only true Divinely inspired scripture because "non-chrstians" who have breathed in the doctrines of Anglo-Protestantism from their very birth eventually when hearing a verse quoted for the blue-millionth time suddenly feel electricity going up and down their backs, making them sure-enough adult converts to chrstianity just like the first christians who also were raised on the KJV and eventually got "saved."

Never mind that the Torah is the one and only Divine revelation in all of human history known (not merely believed) to be true because G-d revealed Himself before from two and a half to three million people, nothing that ever happened before and will never happen again. Okay, it was true once but then Galatians came along and Galatians is self-evidently a continuation of the Jewish Bible because they all wound up together in the KJV, the self-evidently one true version. If it weren't true, G-d would certainly not have permitted it to be added to the KJV. The very fact that it's in the Protestant bible "proves" that it is true, since there is no external standard that may be used to determine scriptural canon other than the fact that when hearing the True Bible one feels funny and gets happy. Surely G-d wouldn't let people feel funny or get happy if it were not true.

Never mind that Noahides are actually forbidden to observe the Torah (doing so is stealing from `Am Yisra'el and cause one to lose one's portion in the World to Come).

Never mind that for fifteen hundred years all chrstianity did was was replace one legal/ritual/ceremonial system (one from the Bible) with a new one that is of totally post-Biblical origin. We know that the very moment the last apostle died everyone got out their Thomas Nelson KJVs and began trying to painfully and carefully reconstruct the "new testament church" like a paleontologist trying to piece together a dinosaur skeleton, and that anyone who didn't immediately do so was introducing the "doctrines and commandments of men" into the now lost Truth which can only be reconstructed by consulting the "new testament" that wasn't even canonized yet. That their reconstruction project produced nothing but a blue zillion different churches that no one can agree on doesn't matter. Scripture has been providentially preserved into the now authoritative KJV (all those foreigners better learn seventeenth century English!). G-d could do this because He is G-d. But He couldn't providentially preserve any authentic oral teachings because He isn't powerful enough, and all the oral traditions are self-evidently wrong because they contradict the one true Anglo-Protestant religion which alone is self-evidently true. And besides, don't worry, because the Holy Spirit sees to it that you interpret it correctly. Of course, the same Holy Spirit seems to be telling all those other people to interpret it differently from you, but they're wrong because G-d would see to it that only you are right. All those other people should obviously give up their own interpretations and accept yours like G-d wants them to.

Never mind that chrstianity, whether historical or "reconstructed," all claimed that all the things G-d once commanded are not forbidden, and everything He once forbade is now permitted, if not optional. That could not possibly have any connection whatsoever that now the whole world is facing a situation where what was once commanded is now forbidden and what was once forbidden is now commanded. That could not possibly be the ultimate price for replacing Biblically-mandated rituals with post-Biblical ones two thousand years ago. So in the midst of filth and sin on a scale never before known let us attack the observance of G-d's Commandments as "works righteousness."[/sarcasm]

For over twenty years I have defended Fundamentalist Protestants from their hypocritical enemies on this forum because, for all their problems, they at least realize that when G-d says that something happened, then it actually happened. Intellectually I know that to be consistent these people must eventually attack the G-d-given Torah and Noachide Laws as well (since this life is apparently all about salvation through a legal loophole). But it still hurts.

What next . . . that the real Mashiach is going to exalt himself over everything that is called G-d? That's funny, since so far the only "messiah" to do this is your Nazarene prophet.

19 posted on 10/08/2020 5:50:39 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Modernism began two thousand years ago.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

First of all, I don’t go by the KJV bible, I go by the Douay Raimes version.

Second of all, I don’t think we had anything against the Torah (far from it, the guy who wrote that blog went out of his way to state that the Old Testament was still very much relevant to Christian teaching, and that Christianity owes much for the Jews), but at least in my case, I have lots of things against the Talmud (which is NOT the Torah despite what Rabbis claim, but a mockery of the Old Testament). One particular irksome aspect of the Talmud, arguably much worse than even how Jesus and Mary were outright demonized in that text, was how they treated God the Father, or if you prefer, the God of Abraham, since they’re one and the same, in Babylonic Talmud Bava Metzia 59b:

“We learned elsewhere: If he cut it (this new special stove) into separate tiles, placing sand between each tile: R. Eliezer declared it clean, and the Sages declared it unclean; and this was the oven of ‘Aknai (which means “serpent,” probably named after either the inventor or because long serpentine pieces of clay were used to attach the separate tiles).....

It has been taught: On that day (of the discussion about the new Aknai oven) R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument, but they did not accept them.

Said he to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!’

Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place; others affirm, four hundred cubits.

‘No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,’ they retorted.

Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!’

Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards

‘No proof can be brought from a stream of water,’ they rejoined.

Again he urged: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,’ whereupon the walls inclined to fall.

But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: ‘When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what (right) have you to interfere?’

Hence they did not fall, in honor of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright (position), in honor of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined.

Again he said to them: ‘If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!’

Whereupon a Bat Kol cried out: ‘Why do you dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!’

But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: ‘It is not in heaven.’

What did he mean by this?

Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Bat Kol, because You have long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, “After the majority must one incline.”

R. Nathan met Elijah (the prophet) and asked him: What did the Holy One, Blessed be He, do in that hour?

He laughed [with joy], he replied, saying, ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me.’”

That last portion really irked me due to that passage making an utter mockery of the guy who got your sorry butts out of Egypt, making him such a weak dullard that he ended up forcibly restrained by the Rabbis to such an extent that he can’t even so much as take a leak without a Majority Vote by the Rabbinic Council, not to mention outright LOSING a debate to Rabbis, who religious leaders or not are STILL mere mortals compared to Him, an omnipotent and more importantly omniscient individual who in reality would have outright CREAMED those Rabbis in a debate to such an extent that they’d be huddled in a corner crying and deeply broken, not celebrate that they defeated him. I would have thought that you guys would have at LEAST had enough respect for God the Father to NOT try to make him into a weakling despite, no, precisely BECAUSE He’s an omnipotent and omniscient being. In other words, God would never even conceive the possibility of being defeated by ANYONE, let alone admit to it. But no, you guys couldn’t even do that. I’m actually quite surprised Nicholas Dorin didn’t expose THAT passage to the heads of the Church at the time, or at the very least the Church heads didn’t focus on that passage, because I certainly thought that passage was objectively worse than their making Mary out to be a whore and Jesus the son of a centurion who’s boiling in hot excrement. All I can say is, if I were in God’s position, and you guys pulled that crap on me at Mt. Sinai... well, let’s just say I’d decide AGAINST making you guys the Chosen People after that. Probably act like Kefka here: https://youtu.be/I-cdwDnryY0?t=123

And if anyone wants to find this passage, this link has it, and it’s helmed by a Rabbi, no less: http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/salafi/RabbiDebateGodAndGodAdmitsDefeat.htm

Besides, when the likes of Rabbis Harry Waton and S. Wise outright stating that Marxist revolution was fully in line with the precepts of Rabbinic doctrine, the latter stating it specifically in The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935, that alone leaves Rabbinism to be suspect. Bear in mind that Marxism was created specifically to recreate the WORST aspects of the French Revolution and make it even gorier.


20 posted on 10/11/2020 6:03:28 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Never mind that the Torah is the one and only Divine revelation in all of human history known (not merely believed) to be true because G-d revealed Himself before from two and a half to three million people, nothing that ever happened before and will never happen again.

600,000 is too large for when scholars date the Exodus. If you subscribe to the Hyksos hypothesis, an Egyptian historian states 200–300,000 Hyksos were expelled and resettled in Jerusalem. Perhaps there were multiple Exoduses? But the archeological record does not support Manetho’s account, and associating the Israelites with the Hyksos may have been Manetho’s anti-Jewish sentiment - he hated Jews, and the Hyksos are not a flattering group to be associated with.

Between 400 B.C.E. and the Roman invasion, the worldwide Jewish population grew from under 100,000 to about 1.5MM and by 300 A.D. was reduced to only about 10–20,000 people.

The Bible places the population at around 1.5 million yet the remains do not confirm it, the food production systems of the time would not support that large a population

Based on archaeology, you have a population of 60,000 in the early kingdom rising to about 400,000 at the end of the period. This would include Hebrews, Philistines, Canaanites, and Phoenicians.

The hill country under Samuel's leadership prior to the kingdom is estimated to have contained about 40-60,000. Phoenicia was more populous; likely Philistia was also. The hill people defended their territory most often by ambushes of the Philistine troops in difficult terrain. On the plains the Philistine chariots were dominant, but not so much in the hills.

22 posted on 10/14/2020 2:39:28 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Zionist Conspirator; pastorbillrandles
your Nazarene prophet.

Jesus could not have been just a "prophet" - He accepted people worshipping Him.

You either call Him God or you, ZC, call him a charlatan. No prophet-business

23 posted on 10/14/2020 2:41:17 AM PDT by Cronos
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