Posted on 12/28/2021 8:50:23 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
CHICAGO (ChurchMilitant.com) - A top cardinal, one who presides over liturgical abuses and incorporates pagan elements from Taoism and Hinduism into the Holy Eucharist, is doubling down on attacking the Traditional Latin Mass in his Chicago archdiocese.
Cardinal Blase Cupich, who permits high-profile LGBT+ Masses, published a five-page policy two days after Christmas, prohibiting the celebration of the TLM on the first Sunday of every month, Christmas, the Triduum of Holy Week, Easter Sunday and Pentecost Sunday.
The prelate, who publicly opposed bishops seeking to withhold Holy Communion from pro-abortion President Joe Biden, has promulgated his own rules implementing Pope Francis' motu proprio Traditionis Custodes — which threatens to snuff out the ancient Liturgy.
Cupich's crackdown on the TLM compels all clergy in the archdiocese to make an official written request in order to obtain the archbishop's permission to celebrate the Tridentine Mass, which must include "a statement of agreement" promising to abide by the new norms.
Priests wishing to celebrate the Old Rite of the Mass, even in private, have to obtain permission and "explicitly affirm" the "validity and legitimacy" of the liturgical reform and the Second Vatican Council.
"Cardinal Cupich's liturgical open-mindedness extends to Masses incorporating Hindu or Chinese pagan elements, but he is determined to prevent faithful Catholics worshipping as his own grandparents would have done on Christmas Day and Easter Sunday," Dr. Joseph Shaw, president of the Latin Mass society Una Voce International, told Church Militant.
Dr. Shaw, an academic at the University of Oxford, lamented that "one gets the impression that he would like to make plausible the extreme polemic against the Novus Ordo that is criticized in Traditionis Custodes, that it represents a new Church incompatible with the Faith handed down by the Apostles, and for that reason must be driven underground."
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Bidenvoter extraordinaire.
I guess Cupich forgot to read 1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-21, 1 Cor. 11:27, John 20:23, and then 1 John 1:9 before letting anyone receive the Eucharistic host, especially those who flaunt they are pro-choice on abortion (and unrepentant at that) as the church has always held that abortion is murder.
If Cupich or any Novus Ordo type goes against Dacred Scripture (above) they defy God Almighty per 2 Tim. 3:16-17 as it states all scripture is God-breathed.
Ignoring the push for atheism for the moment.
Why would you want the Latin Mass?
Much work has been done by many to bring the Bible and the Mass into the languages of the time. Jerome for example.
I have 9 years of Latin in high school and college. I have one degree in Latin and Greek aka Classics. I’ve attended Latin Mass in high school and college.
My father joked/complained that he had to attend Latin Mass and could not understand it.
Since I can understand the Latin, the Latin Mass has no special appeal.
Traditional Latin Mass adherents and Novus Ordo are largely going in separate directions as the apostasy increases:
Per a 2018 Pew Research Poll and bolstered by subsequent polls, 51% of Novus Ordo (NO) adherents are pro-choice on abortion compared to just 1% of Traditional Latin Mass adherentsband only 30% of NO believe in the Real Presence.
It’s in the Novus Ordo churches across the world where liberalism, paganism, etc, is creeping in, and where the following has been occurring all over for decades and all over even now:
1.) Drag Queen sings Ave Maria during “Mass for Victims of LGBT-Phobia” with “Cardinal” Da Rocha
In the description box there:
This took place on May 21, 2021, and was part of a “Mass for all LGBT people” presided over by “Cardinal” Sergio da Rocha, the Novus Ordo Archbishop of São Salvador da Bahia, Brazil...”
2.) Scantily Clad Girl Dancing in the Altar with the Priest
https://youtube.com/shorts/zTexZjr27aI?feature=share
3.) The priest does a Novus Ordo chicken dance while a poor tambourine gets beaten to death by someone else:
Oh Happy Day 2021 Easter
4.) Liturgical Abuse
5.) Check out 3:13 in this:
Liturgical abuses
6.) Novus Ordo vs. Tridentine Mass: Which Mass has been more abused?
7.) Traditional Latin Mass is not allowed in parishes, but Aztec dance is ok.
And there’s a whole lot more of this on YT from decade to decade and ongoing to now. But where have the Vatican II popes been at in denouncing these things? If you stand with Sacred Scripture and Tradition and don’t agree with everyone doing whatever they want, then Francis says you’re “rigid” or “clerical” but if you agree with anything goes then Francis says you’re “loving” and “pastoral.”
There are so many conservative-minded Novus Ordo adherents who act as if they have fidelity to the church (which has always taught that abortion is murder) and yet they say nothing to those in the pews when those who are openly against this church stance step foward to receive the Eucharistic host; again, according to a 2018 Pew Research Poll, 51% of Novus Ordo adherents, compared to TLM adherents, are pro-choice on abortion. Where is Francis at showing he loves the unborn and Sacred Scripture and Tradition?
Quo Primum
Promulgating the Tridentine Liturgy
Pope Pius V - 1570
APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius05/p5quopri.htm
The Council of Trent anathematizes those pulling these kinds of stunts, is infallible, was declared to be so during 1545-1563, innumerable popes afterwards agreed, the 6th Ecumenical Council did not allow receiving the Eucharistic host in the hand either, is also infallible, both of these Councils are binding, whereas...
Jorge Bergoglio said that Vatican II is the Magesterium.
But Pope Paul VI on Jan 12, 1966 said that Vatican II does not possess notes of infallibility.
Based upon this, if VII is the current Magesterium, then it does not possess infallibility.
Since the Magesterium had, at least up until now possessed infallibility, then Vatican II would be a false Magesterium.
Pope Paul VI an John XIII said Vatican II was not a dogmatic council, and Benedict XVI affirmed that VII was not dogmatic.
[From Christopher Marlowe]: The so-called “dogmatic constitutions” published by VII show a contradiction, further proof it is not dogmatic given that it is axiomatic dogma cannot contradict itself, statements from the popes on the status of the council show it was not the intent to make new dogma, dogma cannot be created accidentaly, and claiming a dogmatic constitution is dogmatic because it was titled as such is just a positivist argument. [H/t Christopher Marlowe.]
Cupich and his ilk see the intrinsic good of the Tridentine Maas and the piety and devotion of its adherents. Therefore, Cupich stifles it because he is an evil man who follows Satan and not Christ.
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The Latin Mass for me elevates the worship and communion with Christ. My personal experience since I was a child…
met the man at a bar, that’s all I’m saying....
Once upon a time, I thought like you. I mean, it’s just the most obvious thing in the world that it’s more meaningful if people are praying in their own native language, isn’t it? I too took years of Latin and had no particular desire to attend Mass in Latin or to pray in Latin.
But then at some point in the early 2000s, I started to learn about the deficiencies of the “new Mass” (i.e., Novus Ordo); i.e., how it wasn’t simply a vernacular translation of the old Latin Mass. In fact, it was a massive revision that dropped references to hell and the human soul and was very much designed as a ecumenical sort of replacement of the Catholic Mass with a Lord’s supper sort of service that might appeal to our separated Lutheran and Anglican brethren. So when I was invited to Latin Mass by an acquaintance, I went. There I discovered beautiful music, orthodox preaching and a reverent congregation... and the complete absence of all the tired cliches of post-Vatican 2 Catholicism, such as cheesy folk music hymns delivered by guitar-strumming Bob Dylan wannabes who came of age in the 60s, constant shaking hands, Church-lady eucharistic ministers, political liberalism disguised as “Catholic social teaching,” etc. etc. ad nauseam.
In short, I found that “old style Catholicism,” Latin and all, worked for me in the way that the new style simply didn’t.
Thank you for the replies.
I did recently attend a funeral with a service given by a Pentecostal preacher. It was actually refreshing to hear real condemnation of sin. Specific sins. My younger cousins got a little uncomfortable when he started condemning homosexuality. I laughed afterwards and said, well that’s what I grew up hearing. My father is Catholic while my mother became a Pentacostal in later years.
I’ve actually been reading a lot of original writings of our Founding Fathers. I should start a series of posts to demonstrate just how seriously they took faith. I just learned that George Washington along with Congress started the tradition of having chaplains in military units during the Revolutionary War.
None of those things are the exclusive property of the Vetus Ordo. They should be present in Novus Ordo masses, maybe not everywhere, but in many places. That they aren't is a gross failure of leadership of our bishops and our Popes.
Being a church musician by avocation, I'm particularly disgusted by the lame, often un-singable, cookie-cutter "music" you find at almost every NO mass in the US. The people mostly responsible for that work for a company called "Oregon Catholic Press" (my pastor has a different name for them). That their position is unchallenged is due to cowardice and laziness on the part of priests and bishops, to put it bluntly.
I've sung the OCP dreck. To do them well is difficult, so most places do them badly. I've sung Palestrina and Mozart, too. Guess what -- to do them well is often easier! Palestrina, in particular, had a genius for writing beautiful music that practically sings itself. But you need an actual choir, not a musically-challenged "cantor" with a microphone.
“None of those things are the exclusive property of the Vetus Ordo. They should be present in Novus Ordo masses, maybe not everywhere, but in many places. That they aren’t is a gross failure of leadership of our bishops and our Popes.”
Well, there’s a term for reverent, orthodox, well-done Novus Ordo Masses with beautiful music... “unicorns.” Look, I know many fine priests and people who are devoted to the N.O., and if it works for them, that’s fine. I’m certainly not in favor of imposing the TLM on those who don’t want it. I just ask for the same courtesy. Don’t try to bully me into the Novus Ordo.
Exactly. That's my complaint. That is what needs fixing, infinitely more than this insane project of suppressing the Vetus Ordo. It drives people away from the faith.
I just ask for the same courtesy. Don’t try to bully me into the Novus Ordo.
Don't misunderstand my position. I sing TLMs also. If the Novus Ordo were suppressed tomorrow (well, not likely), you would have trouble squeezing a single tear out of me. But if the NO is not going to be discarded, it at least needs to be done the right way.
Thanks. I do understand your position. When I say, “Don’t try to bully me into the Novus Ordo,” I didn’t me you. I meant the men whom Mario Puzo called “the pezzonovante of the Church.”
typo: “... didn’t *mean* you.”
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