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To: MurphsLaw

you asked for verses that give assurance, i gave them to you- Christ never loses actual souls that are given to him by the father- if he did, the bible would be a lie-

“[28] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. [29] My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.”

Strong assigns “Spirit” to the word psuche- Spirit is not the soul- Spirit is what makes us us- it is out life- Here is the definition from the word:

“The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”

““Jehovah God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.””

The “Breath of life” Is The Spirit that is given by God- the Hebrew Word is Neshamah Meaning “Spirit”

[[pre-supposing that you get to call yourself eternally saved forever. It’s not in the Bible]]

It is in the bible- botrh as direct proclamations, and infered as in the explanation about Christ never losing any of His flock- IF it is possible for a saved person to lose hteir salvaiton, and die immediately and wind up in hell- then the bible is a lie- God specifically proclaimed that NONE of those He gives to Christ will be lost-

[[DOES THIS sound like absolute guarantee of Salvation from John?]]

That verse is not about salvation but remaining in a close relationship with God- We as Christians can walk away from His love and protection- but we are still saved- just as a son can walk away from their parent’s love and protection and still be their son-

John 15 is not about losing salvation- there are many sermons and articles on this fact- it is simply sayign that if a person walks away from God’s love, and is not bearign fruit as a result- they will not be under His love and protection- it doesn’t mean they lose His love though- God will always love them because they are His- The way to remain “UNDER” His love is to keep His commandments (but again this was to the Jews- Whom he had just told that they must Accept Him as Savior in order to ‘abide in Him’- those that don’t will be burned up because they are unsaved- always were- and had no intenion of beign saved- These unsaved were Jews that who took other gods-

Vs 10 is a condition of descipleship, not salvation- just as a son walking away from family is a condition of departure from the family, but not from the blood line-


43 posted on 02/21/2022 10:30:40 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434
Your making a lot of assumptions Bob. And yes I know there are thise who say we don't even need to love God to stay "saved" once they are saved- but that's a different religion, a dangerous one.

I know you will say these verse means something else...of course... we get to decide.. but you're just ignoring the obvious...

21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, perhaps he will not spare you.[g] 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

And;
"He who hears you, hears Me, and he who rejects you, you Rejects Me, AND Rejects the One who sent me"...


Their will be believers, like cutoff branches, who will be gathered up and tossed in the fire...
There will be those who say "Lord, Lord"-
and there will be those Goats in Matt 25....

Assurance, while it works for you, is another religion altogether. And not the one the Holy Spirit has guided since the beginning.

Because that "guaranteed assurance" IS NOT be spelled out- explicitly and absolutely in the Bible - beyond question- without the many cautioning damnation passages... it has to be interpreted with bias. It becomes subjective from that point forward.
Do you really think St. PAUL was intentionally speaking gibberish about "working out his salvation..."? That makes no sense to anyone then if he is already guaranteed saved...
While I see your faith... I dont see how you could think God would allow Christianity to err for centuries like it did...
We are just not that special, no more so than those that came and died before us.
44 posted on 02/22/2022 9:45:19 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.")
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