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To: Bob434

Wow.. a lot to digest...
Much to respond to..
Need a few days.. medical issues...


47 posted on 02/23/2022 9:11:07 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.")
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To: MurphsLaw

hope it’s nothign serious-

You and i are not gonna come ot an agreement on the issue obviously- The bible states many times salvation is a doen deal- the spirit seals until the day of redemption- Christ doesn’t lose any sheep, and many other cases of eternal salvation- since those verses are there, then other verses which seem to contradict must be wrongly interpreted for one reason or another- usually because the original words are not considered, or the passage is taken out of context, or the passages speak specifically to Jews only- for very specific reasons related to their culture or whatever-

Again- what is the yardstick used to measure whether we are ‘good enough’ to ‘maintain our salvation’? How many sins is enough to lose it? How many times must we neglect doing something we know we should before we are cut off from salvation? If WE can lose our salvation, then it becomes a necessity that we must also earn back our salvation by ‘doing enough good deeds to weight the balances back into the saved realm again’- this is unscriptural- it’s super unscriptural

Being people plagued by a constant sin nature, we can not possibly hope to maintain our own salvation over a lifetime by doing enough works to ‘earn the right to salvation’- Christ alone MUST secure our eternal state because we are incapable of doing so. The law of the Jews turned into man trying to maintain his own salvation, (although God never intended them to adopt this as their method of salvation), and it failed miserably- which is why Christ had to come to be our sacrifice for us=- because we are incapable of sacrificing enough to appease the strict demand of perfect sinlessness by God in order to dwell with Him-

Again, man’s righteous acts are as filthy dirty worthless acts to Him because they are stained with sin- Only Christ’s perfectly sinless blood can cover our sins once and for all- and it does- because if it were otherwise, man could boast that he earned his own salvation through his ‘righteous enough’ deeds- Nope Nope Nope-

The Jews had to keep sacrificing animals because they were imperfect because they were staiend by the curse too- The sacrifices only lasted just so long with God- and the Jews woudl have to repeat them over and over and over throughout hte year because of that.

Christ on the other hand is the perfect sacrifice- a once for all sacrifice- He died once and only once because His blood is all we need for eternal salvation- His blood covers ALL our sin, past present and future- IF we have to keep getting saved- that means his sacrifice is not eternal- not complete, ot good enough to save for ever- and so he must be ‘resacrificed’ each time we supposedly lose our salvation- and this would make God out to be a liar because He said that ALL whom He gives to Christ will never be lost- Ever-

Christ and His perfectly pure blood sacrifice is the yardstick which measures our salvation security, not our ‘good works’ or ‘righteous acts’ which are but filth


48 posted on 02/23/2022 10:06:29 PM PST by Bob434
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To: MurphsLaw

just one more brief point- and perhaps the strongest point in regards to eternal security in Christ Alone-

since we can never ever live up to the perfectly Holy Standard that being in God’s presence demands, how can we ever achieve salvation on our own in the first place? We can’t- Christ gives it to us- IF we must work to be holy in order to maintain our salvation, then we shall never keep our salvation because we can never do good enough to maintain it- never- We can not achieve mortal perfection- which is absolutely required in order to be with God in eternity

Our efforts ALWAYS ‘miss the mark’ (Interestingly, the word ‘sin’ means to ‘miss the mark’) because of our sin-

Now, Either we can be perfectly sinless in our own efforts, or we can’t- there is no ‘close enough’ with God- it is all or nothing. There are no ‘big and no small sins’ with God- ALL sin separates us from Him, so that even the tiniest sin in our minds, either conscious or not, is enough to separate us from Him because of His strict demand for perfect Holiness. Since we can never conquer all our sins, ‘big and small’, that woudl mean God could never accept us into eternal glory- even the smallest of sins woudl be enough to bar us from heaven- if salvation is left up to us to work for

Thank God it is not- Thank God that we are deemed perfect through the shed blood of Christ- and if we are perfect because of Him, we remain perfect because of him, not because of us or our feeble efforts to eschew earthly sin (We should strive to do so, but because we love Christ and want to show our appreciation for Him, not because it means we lose salvation if we don’t). Thank God we are washed pure as the driven snow by His blood which covers ALL our sins, even our unconfessed sins which we may or may not even be aware of.

Christ MUST save us- we can’t save ourselves-


49 posted on 02/23/2022 10:24:53 PM PST by Bob434
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