...ya jumped the Gun, it's still Good Friday.
With a nod to our Orthodox brothers .
Posted on 04/14/2022 3:25:47 PM PDT by Oakleaf
ABSTRACT: Jesus of Nazareth underwent Jewish and Roman trials, was flogged, and was sentenced to death by crucifixion. The scourging produced deep stripelike lacerations and appreciable blood loss, and it probably set the stage for hypovolemic shock as evidenced by the fact that Jesus was too weakened to carry the crossbar (patibulum) to Golgotha. At the site of crucifixion his wrists were nailed to the patibulum, and after the patibulum was lifted onto the upright post, (stipes) his feet were nailed to the stipes. The major pathophysiologic effect of crucifixion was an interference with normal respirations. Accordingly, death resulted primarily from hypovolemic shock and exhaustion asphyxia. Jesus’ death was ensured by the thrust of a soldier’s spear into his side. Modern medical interpretation of the historical evidence indicates that that Jesus was dead when taken down from the cross. (JAMA 1986; 255:1455-1463)
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I never said “So you don’t believe that Jesus died so that Jesus would pay the debt for our sins.”
So that’s a strawman.
And since I didn’t use a strawman, you’re projecting.
For taking Jesus’s suffering for granted, see the term “Sloppy Agape” which I heard while attending Evangelical Protestant churches, before converting to Catholicism.
One other point.
1 Peter 4.
As well as “Let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me.”
Which, you know, was said BEFORE the crucifixion. Shows that He knew what was coming.
TLDR
You typed, “I never said...(blah, blah, blah)”
I never said you did. I said it was “another example” and I included that person’s name, didn’t I?
Try to be more observant. You should have noticed. It was ANOTHER straw man argument, like yours.
And you wouldn’t know a straw man if it blew past your front door.
And since you converted TO the RCC, well, you know...
“He is risen!”... “He is risen, indeed!!”
I missed the other per’s name, because I wasn’t reading the entire thread, but skimming replies to me; hence I took “another example” to mean an example of something else I’d said.
"Ye men of Galilee. Forget what those two fellas in white clothes told you."
If a centurion asks, reply, “mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmccccxxx”
Vlad: your buds gave the world Francis.
Oh... wait... I did.
John 12:27
Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’?
No, it is for this purpose that I have come to this hour.
...ya jumped the Gun, it's still Good Friday.
With a nod to our Orthodox brothers .
Canards: ya just gotta luv 'em!
...told and passed down from the 1300's...
Do the math!
At one per second, that is 91 minutes and 20 seconds of continuous beating.
Your chosen religion allows extra belief about the effectiveness of Jesus alone...
Jesus said "Without Me you can do nothing". In this crisis which looms ahead of us, Our Lady has told us that we need Her help, Her intercession. We must ask for Her help with the Rosary and the Scapular.
At Fatima , Our Lady told us very plainly that "Only I can help you". Today more than ever is this so true.
Pray the Rosary and sacrifice yourself for Our Lady.
I urge you to also make some sacrifices as Our Lady of Fatima asked us. For those who are able, do some fasting. If you can, abstain from meat by eating meat only during one meal a day. Try to do this for two days, even ten days or 30 days. Of course we should abstain totally from meat every Friday.
Jesus and Mary — Our Hope
It is so urgent that we reach as many souls as possible before it is too late. Let us be of good cheer and remember the words of Jesus to each of us, "It's never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary." That is why it is so important to reach the many millions of souls who do not know this, and who do not know the grave dangers lying in wait for their souls.
No, we must never lose hope. Mary is our hope. She can obtain for us what we cannot by ourselves. Read what St. Alphonsus has to say regarding confidence in Our Lady's intercession in "Mary Leads Her Servants to Heaven". Father Manelli also reminds us of the importance of devotion to Our Lady. (See "Hail Mary, Full of Grace"). Our Blessed Mother tells us to turn to Her in confidence. She tells us repeatedly to ask Her intercession through the frequent fervent praying of the Rosary. (See "The Rosary"). She tells us we must pray the Rosary every day. She wants us to pray it many times a day.
Since He *is* God, it is inevitable that He rise, Acts 2:24
Now just WHERE did you get this idea??
Oh; I see...
John 10:17-18
17 "The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again.
18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord.
I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
This charge I have received from My Father."
I do. The protestant belief “once saved, always saved” is not what Jesus taught.
What I see here is an apple and an orange.
I’ll bet lots of terms were heard.
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