Posted on 05/07/2022 6:02:06 PM PDT by ebb tide
If there is anything profound about these undercover sting videos proving the evil of Planned Parenthood, it is the now proven to be profoundly stupid ramblings of now Bishop-Elect Fr. Robert Barron still clinging to the idiocy that we have a reasonable hope that all men are saved.
Deliberately stated: Like hell we do.
Look at those videos: People who get up every day, get ready for work, get their kids off to school and then go to work and kill other children, sell their parts for enormous profits, make jokes like "It's a boy," poke through the dishes looking for a set of lungs or a thorax, cut financial deals with the next up the child-killing food chain — and then they go home, or out to dinner, talk about their profits and go to bed, then get up the next morning and do it all again.
Bishop-Elect Barron, does someone need to shake you into reality? What's wrong with you? Seriously?
Do you not realize that for evil to have reached this high a crescendo that there must exist an entire industry replete with training schools and enormous foundation grants and government protection and political backers and a gigantic apparatus of evil with millions of people in support of it who keep the machinery going, day in and day out? From the realtors and suppliers and every last cog in the wheel, this is a giant business, able and only able to be in place and operating at a high speed because of the other equally evil people who run their own apparatus and corporate structures of wickedness and horror.
Do you for one minute expect the average faithful Catholic to believe or accept that we have a reasonable hope that all men are saved? These men, these women, sifting through petri dishes full of baby heads?
Really? A reasonable hope? Based on what? Nothing but the near-lunatic and near-heretical ramblings of a theologian who listened to a debunked mystic and took his cues from the writings of a self-inflated Protestant.
You gave an interview in the LA archdiocesan paper recently where you said in that slightly condescending tone, "I don't think we should wag a finger at those opposed to Church teaching. We need to win them over with beauty."
Not sure, Bishop-Elect, if you understand the basic concept or not, but the blind can't see beauty. You cannot be a one-trick pony when fighting evil.
This naÏve or cowardly (take your pick) approach to fighting the diabolical and the demonic that you and many other bishops keep harping on about of "just say nice things to them, never wag your finger, always be sweet and blah blah" simply does not work with the legions of terror that you seem unwilling to admit actually do exist. You prefer to drop names like Dostoevsky and Paul Caudel and listen to their milquetoast meanderings about daffodils and pansies and babbling brooks.
Quit with the name-dropping, Bishop-Elect Barron. The tens of thousands of babies in those petri dishes never got a chance to have any names. And the reason they didn't is because an entire industry, an entire mindset, has been allowed to prosper and flourish while tens of millions of Catholics looked the other way, most especially clergy who did not thunder the truth every single time they should have. They were too busy fretting over greenhouse gases. And the reason they looked the other way is because this is all rooted in the wickedness of birth control — of contraception.
Planned Parenthood knows, the U.S. Supreme Court knows, anyone with a brain in their skull knows that abortion is the back-up for failed contraception. Enormous numbers of those little cadavers being picked through for profit are there in the first place because the hook-up culture promotes unbridled sex, and for that to happen, their precious contraception — their false god — cannot be even spoken about, can never have a finger wagged at it, Bishop-Elect.
You are now a successor of the apostles, and must be willing to die for the Faith. You haven't been accepted into some elite boys cigar-smoking club (although some of your fellow bishops act that way). You have been summoned to die for the innocent, to shed your blood at the hands of a culture which reviles what you claim to stand for. And the culture that would happily spill your blood is the same one that is drowning in the blood of innocents.
You will not get to get away with the "smartest kid in the class" act when dealing with these butchers. You will need to get down in the dirt and fight for the people of God. You will no longer be able to approach evangelization by sipping on a cup of tea and having quiet chats in the parlor with the kid gloves, no wagging finger among the more sedate crowd.
While the American hierarchy has spent five decades essentially brain-dead in fighting the culture of evil, that same culture has installed a killing apparatus that would make the Nazi party blush with shame. You don't dialogue with this crowd; you defeat them with truth and boldness and clarity. You challenge every one of their imbecilic philosophical foundations. You roar from the pulpit what the truth is.
And you correct your own errors. Hiding behind the evil notion that we have a reasonable hope that all men are saved — that is way too easy a way out for cowards. Look at those videos; look at that slaughter — just a few hours of slaughter in one single place — and then look us all in the face and tell us seriously we have a reasonable hope that all men are saved.
You are now a bishop, and it will weigh even more heavily at your judgment if you don't stop preaching against the ordinary Magisterium of the Church — a preaching which helps set the stage and contributes to the mindset which engenders this evil.
For once and for all, abandon that insane notion and get to the fight.
Perhaps contraception pill cases and smart phones could make contraception work to a higher practical level.
Debbie,
This is your pill case. I haven’t been opened yet today.
Abortion is not the backup for failed contraception. It’s an adjunct for terminal irresponsibility. (That means being too stupid to live.)
Correctly used, oral contraceptives (birth control pills) are effective almost 100% of the time. Nonoxynol 9 is very effective - vinegar also works. There is no good excuse these days for abortion. It’s all about the dollas.
There is no moral excuse these days for either. It's about Hell, not dollars.
How many people has Barron reached? How many lives has he improved?
Now how many people has this church militant LOSER done the same?
Held tightly between the knees.
If he's reached them to perpetuate a myth (and one that runs contrary to Catholicism), what difference would the size of his audience make?
Joe Biden can reach millions with a single press conference; you can't possibly suggest that this adds any merit to his messsge.
And what myth has Barron said?
This is a reason people are so attached to the idea of abortion on demand: Because scolding and sanctimonious lectures. Did you know that a majority of people don’t believe in Hell? Sanctimony’s not going to influence anyone or change anyone’s mind; it will make them hold onto their incorrect ideas all that much more.
If someone AGREES WITH YOU that abortion is wrong but then makes the (excellent) point that it’s not necessary anyway - while a lot of folks INSIST that it’s necessary, which is a stupid argument because birth control exists - and then you start picking on them because in your opinion they should be honking about how bad birth control pills are and you’re going to Hell if you use birth control, and blah blah, you’re nullifying any and every good point that anyone can make on the subject. And somehow I think you know that.
By your definition 99% of the people on this forum are going to Hell, so why are you here? To lecture us? Because it makes you feel superior? If we’re already lost, why effing bother? (Do you have a guilty conscience?)
That “you’re going to hell” stuff doesn’t work on most people. I certainly don’t need to hear it.
That’s why legal abortion has been around for as long as it has: So-called “conservative” and “religious” hysteria and condemnation are EXTREMELY INEFFECTIVE against it. And again, I think you are aware of that.
You’re not the one doling out punishments here. That’s Gd’s job.
And you know, there’s a supposed vaccine that everyone’s being forced to take that causes women to miscarry, among other bad things. But you’re going to lecture me about birth control being a sin.
Bishop Barron promulgates the idea that we may have a reasonable hope that all men are saved (which contradicts Scripture).
If the bishop is bringing people to Catholicism, then nobody would be raising their voice.
If he is winning people over to a modified version of Catholicism that has eliminated Hell (and before you get excited about his "conversions", ask yourself who couldn't be successful here), then these people aren't embracing genuine Catholicism.
A "believer" and a "parishioner" are two different things.
If you either cannot or will not acknowledge the connection between birth control and abortion, I'm not sure any more time spent on this thread would change your mind.
But here's the obvious question (which is simply food for thought):
If birth control is ready and available to any couple who opts to use it, what happens in those circumstances where it fails and a child is conceived?
(Remember, you've allowed its use for those who wanted to prevent conception to take place; now you have a conception that the couple didn't want.)
I agree with you: You’re wasting your time. Have a nice day.
Hey, your problem is with the Catholic Church, not me.
The Church teaches that artificial contraception is a mortal sin. I can’t help it if you want to defend that sin.
To me, you’re no different than Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi defending abortion.
Just one mortal sin, can send a person to Hell.
It’s your choice.
And that’s not even to mention IPP (International Planned Parenthood).
You are wasting your time and I’m just going to start reporting your posts if you keep bothering me. Now: Have a great day. Go do something fun and stop worrying about this stupid crap.
>Bishop Barron promulgates the idea that we may have a reasonable hope that all men are saved (which contradicts Scripture).
Show me where in scripture where it says that
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