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Brave churchgoers hogtied gunman with electrical cords and seized his two weapons after he killed one person and wounded five others when he opened fire inside Orange County Presbyterian church
Daily Mail UK ^ | May 15, 2022 | James Gordon

Posted on 05/15/2022 11:57:33 PM PDT by Morgana

The congregants of an Orange County church are being hailed as heroes after they managed to hogtie a gunman who went on a shooting spree on Sunday afternoon in what authorities are describing as an act of 'exceptional heroism and bravery.'

One person was killed and five others were shot at Geneva Presbyterian Church in Laguna Woods, California, about 55 miles southeast of Los Angeles.

Six people at the house of worship were struck by gunfire after the shooter, said to be an Asian male in his 60s, opened fire at around 1:25 p.m. That man is now in police custody.

About 40 parishioners witnessed the violence - but those who were present also helped to prevent further bloodshed by overpowering the shooter and tying him up.

The group reportedly confiscated his weapons and restrained him until police arrived on the scene.

Police say those involved 'showed exceptional heroism and bravery in detaining the suspect.'

'That group of churchgoers displayed what we believe is exceptional heroism and bravery in intervening to stop the suspect. They undoubtedly prevented additional injuries and fatalities,' Orange County Undersheriff Jeff Hallock said. 'I think it's safe to say that had people not intervened, it could have been much worse.'

Two handguns were found on the shooter and were quickly removed.

It's not clear exactly how the parishioners were able to subdue the man, but as soon as they had him on the ground, they tied his arms and legs with electrical or extension cords, Hallock explained.

One person suffered fatal wounds and died at the scene at the church. Four of the other victims were critically wounded - while a fifth suffered minor injuries.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant
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1 posted on 05/15/2022 11:57:33 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

The Brits use Asian when they means somebody from the Pakistan area. It means he is either Pakistan or Afghan.

Oriental is what is used when they mean from any of the Asian countries.


2 posted on 05/16/2022 12:01:41 AM PDT by Jonty30 (I did not shoot the burglar. I pointed a laser dot on his head and let the cats do the rest. )
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Thanks I thought it odd someone from China would do this, but then again after covid.

Makes perfect sense it was Mohammed again.

BTW take a look at that church it’s a beautiful structure.


3 posted on 05/16/2022 12:07:38 AM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor. )
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To: Morgana

Notice that Biden makes no mention of this shooting but comments on what is called a racist shooting in NY. He can’t use the racist talk when referring to Christians being attacked so he’s silent.


4 posted on 05/16/2022 12:09:23 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Islam is an ideology. It is NOT a religion.)
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To: Morgana

I’m guessing this will not be a “hate” crime?


5 posted on 05/16/2022 12:17:37 AM PDT by JudyinCanada (Maranatha)
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To: Jonty30
The Brits use Asian when they means somebody from the Pakistan area. It means he is either Pakistan or Afghan.

I knew that, but forgot when reading this. Thanks for the reminder.

6 posted on 05/16/2022 1:28:12 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Morgana

I hope they didn’t use a “choke-hold”!

==8-O


7 posted on 05/16/2022 2:05:46 AM PDT by Does so (https//youtu.be/3PxEWB6W8ig ......Uke's Independence Day Parade. Anthem starts at 15:00)
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He can’t use the racist talk when the gunman is of asian descent which is usuallu just a euphemism for the gunman in california was a muslim.


8 posted on 05/16/2022 2:58:28 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: JudyinCanada
I’m guessing this will not be a “hate” crime?

No, of course not. It wouldn’t fit the democrat’s narrative.

9 posted on 05/16/2022 3:00:47 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: Morgana
Two handguns were found on the shooter and were quickly removed.

Where do they teach people to write such stupid statements? On other level, at one time Orange County was a conservative stronghold. I had relatives there. Back in the early Nixon era.

10 posted on 05/16/2022 3:08:56 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Morgana

I want to know why in that entire congregation no one was able to shoot back?

A firearm would be much more effective than electrical cords.

In our 200 person congregation in Oregon, we have designated armed security and at least 20 concealed handguns.

The last church shooter in Texas was killed in his tracks, which discourages others.


11 posted on 05/16/2022 3:21:34 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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Are Californians oppressed under restrictive anti-gun laws like NY, NJ, etc.?


12 posted on 05/16/2022 3:34:47 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Jonty30

Those wounded by gunshots included four Asian men, ages 66, 75, 82 and 92, and an 86-year-old Asian woman,

Doesn’t appear to be the case here since this was a Taiwanese church.


13 posted on 05/16/2022 3:37:36 AM PDT by Adder (Proud member of the FJBLGB community: /s is implied where applicable.)
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While "asian" in the British sense means "south asian" - in this article it seems that they are using the American usage of the term - because the killing happened in a "Taiwanese Presbyterian Church "

It could have been a Mohammedan or it could have been a disgrutled ex-church member.

14 posted on 05/16/2022 3:40:20 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: CurlyDave
In our 200 person congregation in Oregon, we have designated armed security and at least 20 concealed handguns.

I am a bass player, and often have a good view of what is going on, however mt and I were asked not to carry at the last Church we attended, so I haven't been back.

15 posted on 05/16/2022 3:42:06 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!! (this post approved by the NSA))
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To: Jonty30

When you read the article, it sounds like Oriental congregants took down the Asian perp. How special is that?


16 posted on 05/16/2022 3:42:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Jonty30
The Brits use Asian when they means somebody…

The Californians are characterizing him as Asian. When white Americans say Asian, they mean Oriental.

If the police mean Chinese when they said Asian, he could be a CCP "uncle" originally brainwashed during the cultural revolution. By his age, that would be very likely. With the increasingly harsh rhetoric coming out of Beijing these days, he could've thought he was doing his patriotic duty by punishing some rebels.

17 posted on 05/16/2022 3:43:29 AM PDT by markomalley (Directive 10-289 is in force)
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To: Cronos

This article from NBC uses “Asian” as well - this is pretty clearly using the American common usage of the term

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/multiple-victims-reported-person-detained-california-church-shooting-rcna28937


18 posted on 05/16/2022 3:46:53 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Morgana

I’m sad that the perp killed a Christian, but I am glad the Christians fought back and stopped him. We’ve got to learn that Jesus’ “turn the other cheek” saying does not proscribe Christians from using force to protect innocent life.


19 posted on 05/16/2022 4:01:07 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Hold on, y'all, 2022 is going to be a ride you won't soon forget!)
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To: Morgana

PCA or PCUSA? Probably PCUSA.


20 posted on 05/16/2022 6:07:38 AM PDT by moovova
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