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To: Wuli

“The hate that is spread about traditionalist (biblical) Christians is that they most of all understand that God does not “hate” the sinner (and neither does the true Christian) but does hate the sin. What God “feels” towards the sinner is love, compassion and hope for the sinner’s redemption from sin. It is the anti-Christians that are full of hate.”

Well said.

It also does not stop with the push to ordain homosexuals or allow clergy to marry mam to man or woman to woman. The Grace of God is totally absent in this removal of Scripture as primacy within Wesley Quadrilateral as source of faith. Some ‘ordained’ UMC clergy question Jesus as Son of God, etc.

The United Methodist Church just crossed a serious line. Is it surprising? Unfortunately, no.
Earlier this month, the United Methodist Church’s Western Jurisdiction elected the first “openly partnered gay bishop” in the 13-million-member global church’s history.

Her name is Karen Oliveto of Glide Memorial United Methodist Church in San Francisco. Even though the denomination, unlike some other mainline churches, has not changed its official teaching on what a marriage is, Oliveto’s legal union to another woman in California was no barrier to her ascension in the church hierarchy. Anyone paying attention knows why.

“The fact is, no denomination, pastor, or church embraces so-called “same-sex marriage” without already having abandoned biblical orthodoxy. The great G.K. Chesterton once said, “Heresy always affects morality, if it’s heretical enough.” https://www.christianpost.com/cartoon/is-the-methodist-church-sailing-into-heresy.html

Our church voted today to disaffiliate from the UMC. It is all about money, power and control. Some clergy are not handling or sharing the information completely with the membership... loss of pension?


20 posted on 05/20/2023 10:08:03 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Thanks for the post.

I know someone who is working on the United Methodist Church side of the Methodist schism.

She questioned the right of departing Congregations to take their property with them. I admitted that most UMC property is in the name of the Conference or the Denomination (if memeory serves me correctly) but pointed out that it was local Congrgations and their members who usually did the fundraising for either acquiring the property, building the church and in maintaining it. To suggest that legalities alone MUST have the departing Congrgation just give up their property to me makes no moral sense, for true Christians.


21 posted on 05/21/2023 11:40:36 AM PDT by Wuli
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