[joesbucks]

It’s a Kobayashi Maru. In order to succeed, you must be self sufficient which causes lack of recognition to God which supposedly causes a fall from God.

My reply was based more on the premise of “when society is obedient to God, you make life easier for each subsequent generation until it is almost paradise”. For that, we have no evidence or proof.

[Jonty30]

I disagree with you on the premise that everytime somebody figures out how to make their own life better, and their idea spreads through society, society improves.

Im excluding natural disasters or invasions or other disruptors in society..