Posted on 08/20/2023 6:22:12 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
No one seems willing to answer my question:
Does Daniel 7 specifically state that the Little Horn (Antichrist) comes out of the 4th beast, which is PAGAN Rome, and lasts until the second coming of Christ? Yes or No?
Those who answer NO are doing the work of the devil, because the answer is clearly YES. And, it would mean the end to the false PTR doctrine (can’t have that, now can we?). Refusing to answer keeps the PTR lie alive. That is also committing the sin of cowardice.
Rome isn’t pagan. It’s Catholic.
We’re the original Christians.
Protestantism needs to take a hard look at itself and see how far parts have strayed since the beginning.
Easily disputed with history.
Rome hasn’t always been small and it’s not small now. It was once the largest land owner and still has parishes all over the world.
The Vatican also isn’t technically in ancient Rome. Vaticanus hill is on the other side of the Timber from the 7 hills of Rome. Strike 2.
Here read this. It’ll help explain past the Jack Chick tracts:
https://www.catholic.com/tract/is-catholicism-pagan
No. Because the old testament was fulfilled through Christ.
I’m amazed at how many Protestants read that they won’t know the hour or the day for the end of the world but still want to guess the month and year.
——>Rome isn’t pagan.
The original Roman Empire (later called the Western Roman Empire), ruled by the Ceasars, was. It ended in 476 AD. Justinian signed it over to the Papacy and they took civil and religious power in 538 AD. The Pope also took the title of the Ceasars, of Pontifex Maximus. The Papacy ruled from EXACTLY 538 AD to 1798 AD, when Napoleon’s General marched into the Vatican and forcibly deposed/captured the Pope, ending 1260 years of persecution.
Babylon 605-538 BC: First Beast: PAGAN
Medo/Persia: 538-331 BC: Second Beast: PAGAN
Greece: 331-168 BC: Third Beast: PAGAN
Rome: 168 BC-476 AD: Fourth Beast: PAGAN
The Roman Catholic Church: Little Horn: Came out of the fourth Beast, PAGAN ROME: “Christian”
So, I’ll ask yet again: Does Daniel 7 specifically state that the Little Horn (Antichrist) comes out of the 4th beast, which is PAGAN Rome, and lasts until the second coming of Christ? Yes or No?
Easily disputed with history.
Rome hasn’t always been small and it’s not small now. It was once the largest land owner and still has parishes all over the world.
The Vatican also isn’t technically in ancient Rome. Vaticanus hill is on the other side of the Timber from the 7 hills of Rome. Strike 2.
Dude, the CITY of Rome and the Vatican have NOTHING to do with Daniel 7’s prophecy.
The Litle Horn comes out of the PAGAN ROMAN EMPIRE. That EMPIRE ended in 476 AD. The ROMAN Catholic Church/Papacy, took over religious and civil power in 538 AD. The Pope actually had the nerve to take the Ceasar’s title of Pontifex Maximus. Do you see the connection? The Papacy took over where the 4th beast ended, in succession, EXACTLY as foretold by prophecy. They ruled for EXACTLY 1260 years, EXACTLY as foretold by prophecy. Everything in prophecy points to the Papacy as being the Little Horn/Antichrist power. Literally every Protestant Reformer saw it, RIGHT FROM THE PAGES OF THE BIBLE. No guessing needed.
——>No. Because the old testament was fulfilled through Christ.
It doesn’t matter what you THINK was fulfilled, or not (that would be a totally different discussion). I clearly asked if Daniel 7 states that the Little Horn/Antichrist power comes out of the 4th beast, which is PAGAN Rome, and lasts until the second coming of Christ.
YES OR NO?
Please try to focus on what I’m asking.
I literally cannot answer you, because I cannot focus. I am having a health issue of Vertigo. Sorry, I would love to engage.
That post was actually directed to Texas_Guy. I included you as a courtesy. I hope you feel better and look forward to your input.
Wouldn’t the State of Israel be considered as a child of the UN, which is a consortium of mostly nations who were within Rome? Israel is a nation founded by a consortium of nations.
Vertigo, a side effect of meds. I can read the computer hooked up to the TV 6 feet away, but I cannot read a book.
Has nothing to do with Daniel 7, which clearly states that the Little Horn/Antichrist comes up among the 10 divisions of Pagan Rome, AFTER 476 AD, and lasts until the Second coming of Christ. As previously stated, those divisions were:
Anglo-Saxons
Lombards
Alamanni
Suevi
Franks
Visigoths
Burgundians
Heruli
Vandals
Ostrogoths
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC PAPACY IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LITTLE HORN PROPHECY:
“The Roman Church in this way privily pushed itself into the place of the Roman World-Empire, of which it is the actual continuation; the empire has not perished, but has only undergone a transformation. . . That is no mere ‘clever remark,’ but the recognition of the true state of the matter historically, and the most appropriate and fruitful way of describing the character of this Church. It still governs the nations. . . It is a political creation, and as imposing as a World Empire, because [it is] the continuation of the Roman Empire. The Pope, who calls himself ‘King’ and ‘Pontifex Maximus,’ is Caesar’s successor.” (Adolph Harnack, What is Christianity? pp. 269- 270)
“The papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof.” (Thomas Hobbes, as quoted in, Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast, p. 95)
“Christian Rome was the legitimate successor of pagan Rome.... Christ had triumphed [and] Rome was ready to extend its sway to the heavens themselves.” (W. H. C. Frend, The Rise of Christianity, p. 773)
“The Roman Christian Church was a church of world-wide importance and power, and her bishop the most influential. Out of the ruins of political Rome arose the great moral empire in the ‘giant form’ of the Roman Church. In the marvelous rise of the Roman Church is seen in strong relief the majestic office of the Bishop of Rome.” (Alexander Clarence Flick, The Rise of the Mediaeval Church, p. 150)
“Long before the fall of Rome, there had begun to grow up within the Roman Empire an ecclesiastical state, which was shaping itself upon the imperial model. This spiritual empire, like the secular empire, possessed a hierarchy of officers, of which deacons, priests or presbyters, and bishops were the most important. . . . Another consequence of the fall of the Roman power in the west was the development of the Papacy. In the absence of an Emperor in the west, the popes rapidly gained influence and power and soon built up an ecclesiastical empire that in some respects took the place of the old empire.” (Myers, General History for Colleges, pp. 348, 316)
“St. Thomas . . . says that the Roman Empire has not ceased, but is changed from the temporal into the spiritual. . . It was, then, the Apostolic Church, which, spreading throughout the nations, already combined together by the power of the heathen empire of Rome, quickened them with a new life. . . the temporal power in the old heathen empire of Rome, and the spiritual power in the supernatural kingdom of God met together. . . these two powers were blended and fused together; they became one authority, the emperor ruling from his throne within the sphere of his earthly jurisdiction, and the Supreme Pontiff ruling likewise from a throne of a higher sovereignty over the nations. . . the material power which once reigned in Rome [was] consecrated and sanctified by the investiture of the Vicar of Jesus Christ with temporal sovereignty over the city where he dwelt. And now for these twelve hundred years the peace, the perpetuity and faithfulness of the Christian civilization of Europe, has been owing solely in its principle to this consecration of the power and authority [Revelation 13:2] of the great empire of Rome, taken up of old, perpetuated, preserved, as I have said, by the salt which had been sprinkled from heaven, and continued in the person of the Supreme Pontiff, and in that order of Christian civilization of which he has been the creator.” (Cardinal Manning, The Temporal Power of the Vicar of Jesus Christ, pp. 123-128)
Here’s an excellent study on the book of Daniel, by one of my favorite authors, Pastor Steven Bohr:
https://secretsunsealed.org/content/PDF_downloads/All%20of%20Pastor%20Bohr‘s%20Study%20Notes/BDAN.pdf
——>Vertigo, a side effect of meds.
Have you tried Meclizine to counteract it?
I just discovered that the link in post 71 doesn’t work, even if copied and pasted into the browser. I’ll work on getting it fixed.
Ok, so copy and paste this into your browser and it will take you to a page. Then click on the first choice for “Studies on Daniel-Secrets Unsealed”
BDAN.pdf (secretsunsealed.org)
Actually, I got my Doctor to prescribe that, and got some about 2 pm. Took a nap and woke up 4 hours later, much better. I had never heard of it before.
I don’t even know if it is available OTC.
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Phil said: Does Daniel 7 specifically state that the Little Horn (Antichrist) comes out of the 4th beast, which is PAGAN Rome, and lasts until the second coming of Christ? Yes or No?
TG said: No. Because the old testament was fulfilled through Christ.
I’m just trying to understand your statement. You’re saying that a prophecy, that God gave to Daniel, regarding the Little Horn ANTICHRIST power, where it comes from and how long it lasts, is DOA because “the Old Testament was fulfilled through Christ? Seriously? The same Antichrist that Paul warns us about? And John in Revelation warns us about?
I guess that would include every prophecy in the Old Testament then, right, including that 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9, that every rabid PTR believer bets the farm on (they all have it wrong, by the way). Poof, gone, finished. All because “the Old Testament was fulfilled through Christ. I guess we can just throw out the entire OT. Nothing there to see, folks. Oh, we might as well remove everything in Revelation that mentions the same beasts and circumstances as in Daniel, because they are mirror books.
I thought I heard it all, until your statement that is. Absolutely unbelievable denial.
About literal Israel and Jerusalem:
Every person who thinks that literal Israel has anything to do with Christ’s second coming (1948, promises to them, etc...) needs view this profoundly important video. You???
I don’t know about Israel having anything to do with Christ coming. Israel the nation, is not God planted. It is a nation planted by the NWO/UN. The Temple mount is not where the Temple was, it was the fortress of the Romans. The Temple was taken apart and no stone was to be left. It sure looks like the “temple mount” has a foundation. Mostly Judaites, Jews migrated there and Christianity hailed it as a miracle.
Things will accelerate as the 70th week approaches.
Look at the messianic prophecies. More than half of them in the old testament were fulfilled in one single week leading up to the crusifixtion of Jesus.
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